3 x 3 determinant gives the volume of a parallelopiped

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The discussion revolves around the properties of 3 x 3 determinants and their relation to the volume of a parallelepiped. Participants explore how row operations affect the determinant and the implications for matrix multiplication and vector components.

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  • One participant asserts that the determinant of a 3 x 3 matrix represents the volume of a parallelepiped and questions why the volume remains the same after certain row operations.
  • Another participant suggests that specific row operations do not change the determinant, referencing properties of determinants and their utility in solving linear systems.
  • A third participant describes the process of obtaining elements of a product matrix through dot products of rows and columns, questioning the proof of this method in relation to vector components.
  • A later reply clarifies that not all row operations preserve the determinant, providing examples such as row swapping and scaling that affect the determinant's value.

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Participants express differing views on the effects of row operations on determinants, with some asserting that certain operations do not change the determinant while others emphasize that not all operations preserve its value. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these properties.

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Participants reference specific properties of determinants and their applications, but there are limitations in the assumptions made about the effects of row operations and the conditions under which they apply.

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I know that 3 x 3 determinant gives the volume of a parallelopiped, but how come after the row operations also it's gives the Same volume when it's elements are changed or in another words it's sides are being modified?
 
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You'll have to be more specific in your description.

If you study the properties of determinants, you'll see that for certain row operations, the determinant isn't changed. This property comes in handy when trying to solve a linear system of equations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinant
 
In square matrix multiplication of 3 x3 . consider two matrix A, B such that AB =C ,to obtain the c11 element of C, we take a dot product of row 1 of A and column 1 of B. Row 1 of A is vector whose x, y, z components are a11, a12, a13 respectively. But column 1 of B consist of only x component of three vector of B and I'm taking dot product of a vector and x components to get single element or x component of single vector in C.

Note each matrix A and B consist of 3 different vectors specifying a parallelopiped and x, y, z components are written in column 1,2,3 respectively. Det of A and B is non zero

My question how does the dot product of row 1 and column 1 gives the x component of vector in C is there any proof?



Thanks in advance
 
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You seem to be under the impression that if matrix "A" has determinant d, then matrix B, derived from A by row operations, has the same determinant. That is NOT true.

For example, swapping two rows multiplies the determinant by -1. Multiplying a row by "a" multiplies the determinant by "a". It is true that "adding a multiple of one row to another" does not change the determinant.
 

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