311.1.5.12 Ax=0 in parametric vector form

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around describing all solutions of the equation \(Ax=0\) in parametric vector form, where \(A\) is a matrix in row echelon form. Participants explore the implications of the solution set, particularly in relation to geometric interpretations such as the origin and planes.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution in parametric vector form and expresses confusion about the relationship between the solution and the origin or planes.
  • Another participant asserts that the problem does not involve concepts of "the origin" or "planes," challenging the relevance of these ideas.
  • A different participant presumes the problem relates to parallel planes without providing justification.
  • Further replies question the basis for the presumption of parallel planes, seeking clarification on the problem's statement.
  • One participant emphasizes that the problem does not mention "planes" or "graphs," noting the dimensionality of the solution set as a two-dimensional subspace of \( \mathbb{R}^6 \).
  • Another participant contrasts this problem with a different one, providing a detailed solution for a separate equation and discussing its one-dimensional solution space in \( \mathbb{R}^3\).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the relevance of geometric interpretations such as the origin and planes. There is no consensus on these interpretations, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding their applicability to the problem at hand.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of interpreting solutions in higher dimensions and the potential for misunderstanding when relating algebraic solutions to geometric concepts.

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$\tiny{1.5.12}$
Describe all solutions of $Ax=0$ in parametric vector form, where $A$ is row equivalent to the given matrix.
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$A=\left[\begin{array}{rrrrrr}
1&5&2&-6&9& 0\\
0&0&1&-7&4&-8\\
0& 0& 0& 0& 0&1\\
0& 0& 0& 0& 0&0
\end{array}\right]
\sim \left[\begin{array}{rrrrrr}
1&5&0&8&1&0\\
0&0&1&-7&4&-8\\
0& 0& 0& 0& 0&1\\
0& 0& 0& 0& 0&0
\end{array}\right]$
$x_1=-5x_2-8x_4-x_5$ $x_2$ free $x_3=7x_4-4x_5$ $x_4$ free $ x_5\ free $x_6=0$
solution\\
$x_2\left[\begin{array}{rrrrrr}
-5\\1\\0\\0\\0\\0
\end{array}\right]
+x_4\left[\begin{array}{rrrrrr}
-8\\0\\7\\1\\0\\0
\end{array}\right]
+x_5\left[\begin{array}{rrrrrr}
-1\\0\\-4\\0\\1\\0
\end{array}\right]$

ok this appears to be the answer but I still don't see how the origin is 0 or we have || planes
 
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??This problem has nothing to do with "the origin" or "planes"!
 
ok i presume it is about parallel planes
 
Why? What was the exact statement of this problem and what makes you "presume" it is about parallel planes?
 
Country Boy said:
Why? What was the exact statement of this problem and what makes you "presume" it is about parallel planes?
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I see nothing there that says anything about "planes" or "parallel planes"!
 
ok so there is no possible graph of this
 
I have no idea what you are talking about! There is no mention of "planes" or "graphs" in this problem. Where are you getting this from? For problem 12, you have four equations in six unknowns. You could graph it- in 6 dimensions. The solution set is a two dimensional subspace of R^6.

But problem 9 has two equations in three dimensions: 3x- 6y+ 9z= 0 and -x+ 3y- 2z= 0. From the first equation, x= 2y- 3z. From the second equation, x= 3y- 2z. So x= 2y+ 3z= 3y- 2z. Add 2z to both sides and subtract 2y from both sides: 5z= y.
Then x= 3(5z)- 2z= 13z.

It solution space is one dimensional, the line in R^3, x= 13t, y= 5t, z= t.
 

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