3d heat equation with constant point source

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The discussion revolves around solving the 3D heat equation with a constant point source, specifically addressing the challenges of applying boundary conditions and the implications of using a point source in heat transfer. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to the heat equation and Green's functions.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the heat equation with a point source and discusses their approach using Laplace transforms and the resulting Helmholtz equation.
  • The same participant notes difficulties with applying boundary conditions at the origin due to singularities and proposes an alternative solution involving a finite-sized ball.
  • Another participant asserts that an ideal point source does not transmit heat in 3D, suggesting that the finite-sized ball solution is reasonable.
  • A third participant questions the nature of the Green's Function, seeking clarification on its relationship to an ideal point source.
  • A subsequent reply states that there is no response to an ideal point source, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the behavior of an ideal point source in 3D heat transfer, with some asserting that it does not produce a temperature change while others seek to clarify its role in the context of Green's Functions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the singularity at the origin and the assumptions made about the nature of point sources in heat transfer, which remain unresolved.

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Hi all,

I'd like to solve the following problem in 3 dimensions:

\partial_t u(r,t) = D\Delta u(r,t)
u(r,0) = 0
u(0,t) = C_o

In words, I am looking at a point 'source' that is turned on at t=0 and held at constant temperature. The ultimate goal is to then convolve this solution with constant sources distributed arbitrarily in space.

In 1D, I can find the solution:
u(x,t) = C_o \mathrm{erfc}\left(\frac{x^2}{\sqrt{4Dt}}\right)
In 3D, I proceed by taking the Laplace transform and solving the resulting Helmholtz equation. After applying the r\to\infty boundary condition,
u(r,s)=A\frac{e^{-\sqrt{\frac{s}{D}}r}}{r}
But I can't apply the boundary condition at u(0,s) due to the singularity at the origin. So instead I assume we fix the constant temperature condition on a ball of radius a, for a\ll r. If I do that my solution isn't so bad,
u(r,t)=C_o\frac{a}{r}\mathrm{erfc}\left(\frac{(a-r)^2}{4Dt}\right)
This matches my simulations rather well, when I add appropriate image sources for my particular geometry. Of course, the solution vanishes as I shrink a\to0. So my question is, is there a way to solve the original problem of a point source? Otherwise using this as a sort of Green's Function for a distributed constant temperature boundary seems suspect.

I feel like this issue comes up a bunch in EM but I'm blanking on how to deal with it here. By the way, a second approach I've tried is to integrate the normal Green's Function over time (i.e. convolving with a step source). There again I get a singularity at r=0.

Thanks!
 
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An ideal point source does not transmit heat in 3 dimensions, so your solution for the ball with a finite size looks reasonable.
 
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Thanks, but I'm a bit confused. What else is the Green's Function if not the response to an ideal point source?
 
There is no response (read: zero temperature change) to an ideal point source.
 

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