3rd Order Linear Homogenous DE from Solutions

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding a third order, linear, homogeneous differential equation with given solutions and the steps taken to derive the characteristic equation and the final equation. The resulting DE is y''' + (1-2\pi)y'' + (\pi2 - 2\pi)y' + \pi2y = 0.
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Homework Statement



Find a third order, linear, homogeneous DE which has the following solutions:

e[itex]\pi[/itex]t, te[itex]\pi[/itex]t and e-t


Homework Equations



Standard form of a third-order linear homogenous ODE:

Ay''' + By'' + Cy' + Dy = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried deriving the characteristic equation given the r values of the solutions.

For e[itex]\pi[/itex]t:
r = [itex]\pi[/itex], therefore one part of the equation is (r - [itex]\pi[/itex])

For e-t:
r = -1, therefore another part of the equation is (r+1)

But I can't figure out what to do for the second one.
 
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SArnab said:

Homework Statement



Find a third order, linear, homogeneous DE which has the following solutions:

e[itex]\pi[/itex]t, te[itex]\pi[/itex]t and e-t


Homework Equations



Standard form of a third-order linear homogenous ODE:

Ay''' + By'' + Cy' + Dy = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried deriving the characteristic equation given the r values of the solutions.

For e[itex]\pi[/itex]t:
r = [itex]\pi[/itex], therefore one part of the equation is (r - [itex]\pi[/itex])

For e-t:
r = -1, therefore another part of the equation is (r+1)

But I can't figure out what to do for the second one.

Remember that a repeated root ##r## of the characteristic equation gives rise to the solution pair ##\{e^{rt},te^{rt}\}##.
 
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Ah, so it just has a repeated root.

So the characteristic equation would be:

(r-[itex]\pi[/itex])2(r+1)

Factor that out and we get:
(r2 - 2r[itex]\pi[/itex] + [itex]\pi[/itex]2)(r+1)

r3 - 2r2[itex]\pi[/itex] + r[itex]\pi[/itex]2 + r2 - 2r[itex]\pi[/itex] + [itex]\pi[/itex]2

r3 - 2r2[itex]\pi[/itex] + r2 + r[itex]\pi[/itex]2 - 2r[itex]\pi[/itex] + [itex]\pi[/itex]2

r3 + r2(-2[itex]\pi[/itex] + 1) + r([itex]\pi[/itex]2 - 2[itex]\pi[/itex]) + [itex]\pi[/itex]2

Therefore the DE would be:

y''' + (1-2[itex]\pi[/itex])y'' + ([itex]\pi[/itex]2 - 2[itex]\pi[/itex])y' + [itex]\pi[/itex]2y = 0

Thanks for the help!
 

1. What is a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation?

A 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation is a type of mathematical equation that involves a function, its derivatives up to the third order, and the independent variable. The equation is considered linear because the function and its derivatives are raised to the first power and are not multiplied together. Additionally, the equation is considered homogeneous because all of its terms contain the function and its derivatives, and there are no terms that are constants.

2. How do you determine the solutions of a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation?

To determine the solutions of a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation, you must first find the roots of the characteristic equation associated with the equation. These roots will determine the form of the solutions, which can be either real, complex, or repeated. Then, using the form of the solutions, you can solve for the coefficients by plugging them into the original equation and solving for the values.

3. Can the solutions of a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation be expressed in terms of elementary functions?

Yes, the solutions of a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation can be expressed in terms of elementary functions, such as polynomials, exponential functions, and trigonometric functions. This is because the solutions are determined using the characteristic equation, which can have roots that correspond to these types of functions.

4. How does the number of initial conditions affect the solutions of a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation?

The number of initial conditions affects the solutions of a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation by determining the number of unknown coefficients in the solutions. For example, if there are three initial conditions, there will be three unknown coefficients, and if there are less than three initial conditions, there will be one or more arbitrary constants in the solutions.

5. Can a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation have non-constant coefficients?

Yes, a 3rd order linear homogeneous differential equation can have non-constant coefficients. These coefficients may depend on the independent variable or may be functions of it. The method for finding the solutions of the equation may differ depending on the type of non-constant coefficients, but the general approach is still to find the roots of the characteristic equation and solve for the coefficients using the initial conditions.

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