7th period of the periodic table now complete

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The discussion revolves around the recent completion of the seventh period of the periodic table, focusing on the discovery and assignment of elements with atomic numbers 113 to 118. Participants explore the implications of these new elements, their expected properties, and the classification of noble gases, as well as the interplay between chemistry and nuclear physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express anticipation regarding the naming of the newly confirmed elements.
  • There is a viewpoint that only element 114 may have stable isotopes, potentially making it highly valuable.
  • Multiple participants find it interesting that element 118 is expected to be a slightly reactive solid rather than a noble gas, despite its position in group 18.
  • One participant argues that the definition of noble gases may be misleading, suggesting that if a noble gas must be inert and gaseous, then element 118 may not fit this definition.
  • Another participant discusses the prediction of large spin-orbit coupling in element 118, which could enhance its reactivity.
  • Some contributions highlight the differences in behavior between small and large atoms, noting that relativistic effects may influence the properties of heavier elements.
  • There is a debate about the classification of the field of study, with some participants asserting that nuclear physics is interconnected with chemistry and that IUPAC's role in naming elements remains relevant.
  • One participant mentions the historical context of element discovery, emphasizing that IUPAC's involvement is rooted in chemical methods, despite modern discoveries often occurring through particle accelerators.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the properties of element 118 and the definition of noble gases, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain. The discussion also reflects differing opinions on the relationship between chemistry and nuclear physics, suggesting unresolved debates in these areas.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the classification of noble gases may depend on definitions and assumptions about reactivity and state at various temperatures and pressures. Additionally, the discussion acknowledges the complexity of atomic behavior in heavier elements, which may not align with traditional periodic trends.

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http://www.iupac.org/news/news-detail/article/discovery-and-assignment-of-elements-with-atomic-numbers-113-115-117-and-118.html
 
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Can't wait to hear how they will name these newly confirmed elements.
 
Sadly, only element 114 may have isotopes stable enough to find its way to some (quite secure) cupboard and end up to be the most expensive form of matter.
 
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I find it interesting that all the data I've read so far is that 118 is expected to be a slightly reactive solid, not a nobel gas.
 
newjerseyrunner said:
I find it interesting that all the data I've read so far is that 118 is expected to be a slightly reactive solid, not a nobel gas.
Radon has atomic number 86.
You need to add 32 protons (2+6+10+14) to get next noble gas.
Hence 118 should be a noble gas.
It might not be a gas but elements of valent shell configuration s2p6 like element 118 or neon and also helium (s2) are called "noble gases".
 
Martin0001 said:
Radon has atomic number 86.
You need to add 32 protons (2+6+10+14) to get next noble gas.
Hence 118 should be a noble gas.
It might not be a gas but elements of valent shell configuration s2p6 like element 118 or neon and also helium (s2) are called "noble gases".

I think @newjerseyrunner is referring to the prediction of a large spin-orbit coupling in Uuo, leading to a significantly enhanced reactivity. Here's an example calculation from 2005: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp050736o
 
Martin0001 said:
Radon has atomic number 86.
You need to add 32 protons (2+6+10+14) to get next noble gas.
Hence 118 should be a noble gas.
It might not be a gas but elements of valent shell configuration s2p6 like element 118 or neon and also helium (s2) are called "noble gases".

I guess it depends on how you define noble gas. If you define any group 18 element as a noble gas, then Uuo is tautologically a noble gas. However, if you think a noble gas must be both noble (i.e. unreactive, inert) and a gas at most temperatures and pressures, then perhaps Uuo may not be a noble gas. This perhaps suggests referring to group 18 as noble gases is a misnomer.
 
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TeethWhitener said:
I think @newjerseyrunner is referring to the prediction of a large spin-orbit coupling in Uuo, leading to a significantly enhanced reactivity. Here's an example calculation from 2005: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jp050736o
Yeah, from my limited understanding, small atoms are governed entirely by the laws of quantum physics, but the much larger atoms' outer shells start having relativistic effects which change how they behave and react.
 
Can't help reading the upper left corner of the link: IUPAC: International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry.
It does not sounds like chemistry, much less pure chemistry. It belongs to nuclear physics.
 
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Stephanus said:
Can't help reading the upper left corner of the link: IUPAC: International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry.
It does not sounds like chemistry, much less pure chemistry. It belongs to nuclear physics.
Is nuclear physics not an application of chemistry?
Anyway, don't sweat upon such matter of field classification. In our current age, the fields of science are interconnected they have no solid boundaries. Biophysics and physical chemistry are only some which I can recognize. IUPAC themself has been long the body responsible for standardization of atomic weights and nomenclature of inorganic and organic chemistry, among other tasks.
 
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Stephanus said:
Can't help reading the upper left corner of the link: IUPAC: International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry.
It does not sounds like chemistry, much less pure chemistry. It belongs to nuclear physics.
Historically, new elements were discovered mostly by chemical means, so its the IUPAC that got the task of naming new elements. The fact that new elements are now created in particle accelerators does not necessarily warrant that IUPAC should not be responsible for the periodic table anymore.

Ans as blue_leaf77 said, don't sweat it. There are already enough turf wars in science.
 
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newjerseyrunner said:
Yeah, from my limited understanding, small atoms are governed entirely by the laws of quantum physics, but the much larger atoms' outer shells start having relativistic effects which change how they behave and react.
It's relativistic in the sense that spin is a relativistic property. However, if you just accept that spin is a property of the electrons, you can get the enhanced reactivity from ordinary non-relativistic QM. It all comes down to spin-orbit coupling. For light atoms, the coupling between the orbital (and spin) angular momenta of different electrons is much larger than the coupling between an individual electron's orbital and spin angular momentum. This means that overall orbital and spin angular momenta are good quantum numbers (this is reflected in elementary atomic physics by the existence of well-defined s, p, d, f, etc. orbitals). However, the spin orbit coupling increases more quickly than the electron-electron coupling as atomic number increases. So for higher Z atoms, the spin-orbit coupling mixes these quantum numbers such that J (the overall angular momentum) is the only good quantum number. Thus, for high Z, things like "s orbital" cease to be well-defined concepts. One of the consequences of this is that periodic trends start to get less reliable for heavier elements.
 
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Stephanus said:
Can't help reading the upper left corner of the link: IUPAC: International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry.
It does not sounds like chemistry, much less pure chemistry. It belongs to nuclear physics.

Incidentally, if we consider protons and neutrons instead of electrons, this crossover between interparticle coupling (so-called L-S coupling) and intraparticle coupling (so called jj-coupling) happens way earlier for particles in the nucleus, so that spin-orbit coupling has to be considered at the outset to give an accurate model of the nucleus. The simplest model that does this is called the nuclear shell model, and it's pretty successful. So chemistry and physics have a lot to say to each other, even at the nuclear level.
 

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