(A+B)(A+C)=A+BC circuit doest not work (protoboard)

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The discussion revolves around troubleshooting a protoboard circuit designed to implement the logic expression (A+B)(A+C) = A + BC. Participants are addressing issues with the circuit not functioning as expected, specifically regarding an LED that remains on and does not respond to button presses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reports that the LED does not turn off and does not respond when buttons are pressed, despite all components appearing to function correctly.
  • Several participants request the schematic to better understand the circuit configuration and suggest grounding unused gate inputs.
  • Another participant notes that if A is high or both B and C are high, the LED should be on, but in this case, the LED remains on continuously.
  • Concerns are raised about discrepancies between the schematic and the equations provided, along with inquiries about the logic family being used and the connections for Vcc and ground.
  • One participant suggests that the circuit may not be properly configured for the logic family in use and emphasizes the importance of grounding unused inputs in CMOS logic.
  • Another participant inquires about the type of switches being used and the values of pull-up or pull-down resistors, suggesting that monitoring the voltage at each gate input and output could help diagnose the issue.
  • It is mentioned that the 74LS logic family may not be optimal for driving a high output and recommends considering an inverter or transistor to improve performance.

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Participants express differing views on the schematic's accuracy and the circuit's behavior. There is no consensus on the cause of the LED's behavior or the correctness of the circuit configuration.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not resolved the mathematical or logical steps involved in the circuit design, and there are uncertainties regarding the specific components and their configurations.

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Homework Statement
Reproduce the boolean expresion: (A+B)(A+C)=A+BC (in protoboard)
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Hi guys :)!
I have a little problem with my homework protoboard circuit:
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First, i try to connect the simplification (A+BC), the LED it doest not turn off and not response when i push the buttons.

All the components its ok, all its works. If the simplification works, the complete expression become easy to continue.

Thanks for read
 
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Please post your schematic. Also, you should be grounding all unused gate inputs (not outputs though, obviously).
 
berkeman said:
Please post your schematic. Also, you should be grounding all unused gate inputs (not outputs though, obviously).
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I make the schematic in proteus and its works fine.
 
If A is high (set) or if both B and C are high, the light should come on.
 
Your schematic doesn't match either one of your equations in your first post, IMO. Also, where are the switches? What logic family are you using? What are the Vcc connections and ground connections? If you are using CMOS logic, the unused inputs of the other gates need to be grounded.
 
Mark44 said:
If A is high (set) or if both B and C are high, the light should come on.
Yes, but in my case the LED is always turn ON and not responding to the buttons to take off ;(
 
berkeman said:
Your schematic doesn't match either one of your equations in your first post, IMO. Also, where are the switches? What logic family are you using? What are the Vcc connections and ground connections? If you are using CMOS logic, the unused inputs of the other gates need to be grounded.
The schematic corresponds to A+BC. I use logic probe like switches in the schematic, Vcc and ground are the blue connections in the first image.
 
What logic family? 74HC? 74VHC? Vcc=5V or 3.3V? The switches are single pole double throw, break before make?
 
berkeman said:
What logic family? 74HC? 74VHC? Vcc=5V or 3.3V? The switches are single pole double throw, break before make?
74LS, Vcc= 5V. The switch are pushbuttons in the protoboard
 
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Noob of the Maths said:
The switch are pushbuttons in the protoboard
What value of your resistor pullups or pulldowns (depending on which way the switches pull)?

Do you have a DVM where you can monitor the voltage at each gate input and output? That may help you figure out what is going on.

Also, 74LS is not very strong at driving a "high" output. It is better at driving a "low" output, so you may want to add an inverter (or a transistor) at your circuit's output so it can pull the cathode of the LED Low (rather than trying to drive the anode high). Check the datasheet for values of Voh, Vol, Ioh, Iol, etc. It may also help to use a high-efficiency Red LED, which can generally be driven with less current.
 
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