A book for a lifetime

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The discussion centers around the question of which books participants consider the finest literature they have read and would recommend for repeated reading. The scope includes personal preferences across various genres and subjects, reflecting on the intellectual rewards of these works.

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  • Some participants suggest "Moby Dick" by Herman Melville as a significant literary work, though one participant expresses that reading it once was sufficient.
  • Another participant cites "Dubliners" by James Joyce as a book they have read approximately 20 times, indicating its lasting impact.
  • There are mentions of various other books, including "I, Claudius" by Robert Graves, "Catch-22," and "Metamagical Themas" by Douglas Hofstadter, with participants discussing their themes and personal connections to these works.
  • One participant reflects on how age influences literary taste, sharing their childhood favorites like "Huckleberry Finn" and "The Rolling Stones" by Robert Heinlein.
  • Another participant expresses a preference for "East of Eden" by Steinbeck, noting their struggle with reading but finding this book engaging.
  • Some participants express strong opinions about books they found underwhelming, such as "Slaughterhouse-Five" and "Catcher in the Rye," while others defend their literary value.
  • There are discussions about the subjective nature of literary taste, with some participants acknowledging that preferences can vary widely.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which books are the finest literature, as many differing opinions and personal tastes are expressed throughout the discussion.

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The discussion reflects a variety of literary tastes and personal experiences with reading, highlighting the subjective nature of literature appreciation without resolving differing viewpoints.

Who May Find This Useful

Readers interested in exploring diverse literary opinions, those seeking recommendations for intellectually rewarding books, and individuals curious about how personal experiences shape literary preferences.

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Which book you think as the finest literature you've ever read so far and will consider reading incessantly. A book which no matter how many times you read still seems to be very intellectually rewarding. It can be of any genre or subject.
 
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Moby Dick, Herman Melville.
 
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Bystander said:
Moby Dick, Herman Melville.
I thought it was great, but once was enough!
 
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Which book you think as the finest literature you've ever read so far and will consider reading incessantly. A book which no matter how many times you read still seems to be very intellectually rewarding. It can be of any genre or subject.
The book I've read most often, perhaps 20 times, is Dubliners by James Joyce.
 
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These threads always turn into "matters of personal tastes."
 
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Bystander said:
These threads always turn into "matters of personal tastes."
Mr Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beast and fowls.
 
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PeroK said:
Mr Leopold Bloom ate with relish the inner organs of beast and fowls.
"Damn your bloody eyes, Claggart(sp?)."---Billy Budd, another Melville, or, at least, the movie.
 
Robert Graves, I Clavdivs, & Clavdivs the God.
 
catch 22, among others
 
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Douglas Hofstadter's Metamagical Themas

"Major themes ... include self-reference in memes, language, art and logic; discussions of philosophical issues important in cognitive science/AI; analogies and what makes something similar to something else (specifically what makes, for example, an uppercase letter 'A' recognizable as such); and lengthy discussions of the work of Robert Axelrod on the prisoner's dilemma, as well as the idea of superrationality."

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Not just taste in literature, this thread also depends on age of the respondent. I can a list a few novels I enjoyed as a child, read again as an adult, and can recommend to other readers.

"Huckleberry Finn" by Mark Twain (Samuel Clemens). I genuinely like and admire old Huck, his loyalty to Jim, his willingness to listen and become involved with others. Never liked Tom Sawyer, mealy-mouthed fake, a rich (compared to Huck) kid who gets others in trouble nearly getting Huck killed.

"The Rolling Stones" by Robert Heinlein. Castor and Pollux Stone, brilliant but mischievous red-headed identical twins, study mathematics and build rocket engines. Mom practices medicine and free-fall surgery. Dad, retired rocket pilot, is former mayor of Luna City. Sis square dances while Grandma Hazel (a continuing character in later novels) plays chess with little brother Lowell. Adventures ensue.

"Number of the Beast" also by Robert Heinlein but written for adults. Argue if you will whether SF can be literature -- Heinlein discusses this issue at length via writer characters -- this novel may be the most influential though least read American fiction in print. Heinlein's alter ego Jubal Harshaw, the wise doctor/author from "Stranger in a Strange Land", discovers an original alternate reality, a 'universal truth' now actually practiced by millions of F&SF fans who likely never read this book but read or watch series written by authors who have.

Every great writer creates not just a fictional environment but also a real world peopled by readers and favorite characters.

Sounds absurd but this idea permeates modern literature. I read two threads in PF science forums just this week that invoke Heinlein to some degree including a Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) post asking if human ideas create or exist in some MWI universe. Heinlein brags about borrowing themes from other authors, many included as characters in "Number of the Beast", but this concept belongs to him. RAH.
 
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phinds said:
catch 22, among others
High school? Yes. Since "Nam," clueless/inane/drivel....
 
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East of Eden by Steinbeck. I liked it more than Grapes of Wrath. I have moderate to severe adhd and usually struggle to read more than 10 pages in a sitting but I went through East of Eden in less than week.
 
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I very seldom read books twice. My memory is too good or something. Don't watch movies twice. But music? It never gets old.

The only books I ever read twice were Lord of the Rings and Catch 22. And that was at least thirty years between readings.
 
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Hornbein said:
...Lord of the Rings...
Well, yeah.
 
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Thank you very much fellow intellectuals for becoming a part of this thread, your literary tastes is invaluable. I mostly read ebooks but considering of investing in physical book to get full feel of it. So these books will be worthwhile to have a physical copy of and will help me to choose a decent literature to delight my intellect.
And indeed this thread seems to be dealing with what is just a matter of taste but still someone who not much of a reader but want to be a voracious reader can be of significant help when someone else is sharing their literary tastes.
 
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Bystander said:
High school? Yes. Since "Nam," clueless/inane/drivel....
Well, to each his own. No need to be rude about my particular choice.
 
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Lord of the Rings for me still.

Books I was very underwhelmed with were, Slaughterhouse 5, Catcher in the Rye, everything by D.H. Lawrence and Wuthering Heights.
 
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pinball1970 said:
Lord of the Rings for me still.
I thoroughly liked reading "The Hobbit" when I was 12 years old. I found the rest of Tolkien oeuvre disappointing, too derivative, though the film series are entertaining. Sorry.
pinball1970 said:
Books I was very underwhelmed with were, Slaughterhouse 5, Catcher in the Rye, everything by D.H. Lawrence and Wutheri.ng Heights.
Dude, as we exclaim in NorCal, no argument. Vonnegut reads like a whiny child, an overrated untalented drunk. IMO "Slaughterhouse 5" was his best novel by far where he admits to being a drunken hack out for a buck.

Ditto for Salinger. "Catcher" is particularly egregious twaddle. Pale eviscerated imitation of author William Faulkner without the guts. Quentin, are you home yet? Salinger reminds me of the Kardashians, little actual talent but famous for being famous. "Raise High the Roofbeam" but learn how to write (joke).

Never actually read Lawrence or the Brontës though one imagines both might be required reading in Great Britian. Good films from the novels. D.H. Lawrence appears as a character in some existential movies and SF series as does American writer Edgar Allen Poe.

For great Goth literature read Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein or Prometheus Unbound" or see the myriad films and series derived from her work. For a truly talented drunk, read Bram Stoker's "Dracula" and watch the (literally) hundreds of derivative stories and series.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Douglas Hofstadter's Metamagical Themas

"Major themes ... include self-reference in memes, language, art and logic; discussions of philosophical issues important in cognitive science/AI; analogies and what makes something similar to something else (specifically what makes, for example, an uppercase letter 'A' recognizable as such); and lengthy discussions of the work of Robert Axelrod on the prisoner's dilemma, as well as the idea of superrationality."

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Gödel, Escher, Bach is pretty good too.
 
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The Illuminatus! by Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson is a classic (I've never read Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow which I'm told is similar).

When I was younger I was a big fan of Julian May's Galactic Milleu Series but I suspect I'd find it somewhat juvenile after so many years. I remember it fondly though.
 
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