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The discussion revolves around the application of l'Hospital's rule in evaluating limits, particularly in the context of a mathematical problem involving exponential functions and their limits as n approaches infinity. Participants explore various approaches to solving the problem, including techniques for simplifying expressions and determining limits.

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  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest using l'Hospital's rule, noting that it can apply to forms like 0^∞ and ∞^0.
  • Others propose alternative methods, such as factoring out terms to simplify the limit evaluation.
  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to apply l'Hospital's rule in this context, questioning the forms present in the limit.
  • A participant mentions a technique referred to as "shmoe's technique" for handling the limit of the exponent.
  • Another participant calculates a limit based on removing a term and suggests that the answer must be at least 60.84, indicating a preference for multiple choice tests.
  • There is a correction regarding the expression being analyzed, with a participant asserting that the term should be 7*8^n for the choices to be valid.
  • One participant discusses the dominance of the term 7*8^n over 5^n as n approaches infinity, leading to a simplified limit evaluation.
  • Another participant expresses confusion about the original question, questioning whether it pertains to a maximum value or a limit as x approaches infinity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to solve the limit problem, with multiple competing views and methods presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific limit being evaluated and the forms of the expressions involved. Some participants also express uncertainty about the original question's intent.

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thx.
 
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LasTSurvivoR said:
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thx.

Looks like this belongs in the homework section.

Are you familiar with l'Hospital's rule?
 
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yup i knew it , but how can we use it here ? no 0 / 0 or everlasting / everlasting ?


/ Sry didnt saw homework sec
 
No worries, just use the homework section next time.

It's beena little while, but:
[tex]0^\infty[/tex]
and
[tex]\infty^0[/tex]
are also places that you can apply l'Hospitals rule.
Let's say we have two functions:
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow y} f(x) \rightarrow 0[/tex]
and
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow y} g(x) \rightarrow \infty[/tex]

Then
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow y} g(x)^{f(x)}=\lim_{x \rightarrow y} e^{f(x) \ln(g(x))}[/tex]
And the exponent there is of the form:
[tex]0 \times \infty[/tex]
 
You don't need to use l'hopital. Try pulling out the 7*8^n from inside the ().
 
NateTg i understand what you meant.Thanks.
 
But can't solve that : e ^ [ 2 / n . ln ( 5^n + 7.8^n ) ]

What should i do e ^ ( fx . gx ) now ?
 
Well the limit of the exponent is the exponent of the limit, but you're better off using shmoe's technique.
 
The first thing that jumps into my head is that the limit, if you remove the 5^n, is simply 7.8^(n*2/n) = 60.84. So, since we've ignored adding 5^n before rooting, the answer must be at least 60.84.

There's only one answer that satisfies that, clearly demonstrating why I love multiple choice tests so much.
 
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I think that's supposed to be 7*8^n, otherwise none of the choices are correct.
 
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n's going to infinity right? Easy way is piecewise. 7*8^n >> 5^n as n => infinity, so that term can be neglected (basically same is dividing out the 7*8^n, just slightly quicker and less rigorous). You get 7^(2/n)*(8^n)^(2/n) => 8^2 = 64.
 
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I don't understand the question...I don't see any lim (x->something)

Do you mean maximum value? or the limit as x approaches infinity?

(5^2n + 5^n * 14 * 8^n + 49 * 8 ^2n) under a n-th radical...

I won't lie i don't know but my TI-84 does :D
 
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