A calculation of equilibrium constant of a reaction of phosgene

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the equilibrium constant for a reaction involving phosgene and its products, focusing on the interpretation of equilibrium constants (Kc vs Kp), the derivation of equilibrium concentrations, and the implications of different approaches to the problem.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant outlines the initial conditions and derives the equilibrium partial pressures, suggesting an equilibrium constant value of ##K=8.3\times 10^{-4}##.
  • Another participant questions whether the equilibrium constant is Kc or Kp, indicating a potential confusion in the problem statement.
  • A participant asserts that the problem is asking for final concentrations and expresses confidence in the approach taken, though they do not verify the calculations.
  • Some participants discuss the implications of using Kc versus Kp, with one suggesting that the given K might actually be Kc despite the context of gases.
  • Another participant proposes a calculation for Kc based on molar concentrations, leading to a different value for x, which does not align with the original solution.
  • A later reply acknowledges an algebraic mistake in the previous calculations and provides a corrected value for x, leading to equilibrium concentrations that confirm the use of Kc.
  • One participant calculates K from Kc, arriving at a new value that can be used in the context of partial pressures.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding whether the equilibrium constant is Kc or Kp, and there is no consensus on the correct interpretation of the problem statement or the calculations involved. Multiple competing views and interpretations remain throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the definitions of Kc and Kp, as well as the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the initial amounts and the vessel volume. The discussion reflects a variety of approaches to the problem without a definitive resolution.

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Homework Statement
Phosgene (##COCl_2(g)##) is a chemical warfare agent that decomposes by the reaction

$$\mathrm{COCl_2(g)\rightleftharpoons CO(g)+Cl_2(g)}$$

with equilibrium constant ##K=8.3\times 10^{-4}## at ##360^\circ\text{C}###.

Calculate the ##\mathrm{[CO],[Cl_2]}##, and ##\mathrm{[COCl_2]}## when 10 mol of phosgene decompose at ##360^\circ\text{C}## and reach equilibrium in a ##5.00\text{L}## flask
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The way I though about this problem is the following.
We start with ##n_i## moles of phosgene and zero of the products.

The initial total pressure and also partial pressure of phosgene is ##\frac{n_iRT}{V}##.

At equilibrium, suppose ##x## moles of phosgene have reacted.

Then we have ##n_i-x## moles of phosgene left and ##x## mole of each of the products.

The equilibrium partial pressures are thus ##\frac{(n_i-x)RT}{V}, \frac{xRT}{V}##, and ##\frac{xRT}{V}## for phosgene and the two products, respectively.

Then

$$K=\frac{P_{CO}P_{Cl_2}}{P_{COCl_2}}=8.3\times 10^{-4}$$

Now, we have to be careful with values and units because the more precise equation is

$$K=\frac{(P_{CO}/P^\circ)(P_{Cl_2}/P^\circ)}{(P_{COCl_2}/P^\circ)}=8.3\times 10^{-4}$$

where ##P^\circ=1\ \text{bar}##

We have an equation with one unknown, ##x##. When I solve for ##x## I reach the result of ##0.028\ \text{mol}##.

It is not clear to me exactly what the problem is asking though.

Here is the answer provided by MIT OCW

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Is this Kc, or Kp?
 
The question is asking for the final concentrations of the compounds. Your approach looks right but I didn't verify the numbers myself.

Going from amount of substance to a concentration should be piece of cake for you when you know the vessel volume, considering the work you showed here.

@Borek I'd be surprised if they gave Kc for a problem concerning gases.
 
Mayhem said:
I'd be surprised if they gave Kc for a problem concerning gases.

Yes, but the answer given is suggesting calculations done with concentrations (2M is what you get after pushing 10 moles into 5L vessel), which is what made me wonder.
 
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Borek said:
Is this Kc, or Kp?
The problem statement gives us ##K##. It seems to me this is ##K_p##.

But I did indeed forget about the existence of ##K_c##.

Suppose the given ##K## is actually ##K_c##.

Then, if ##x## moles of phosgene react to generate ##x## moles each of ##\mathrm{CO(g)}## and ##\mathrm{Cl_2(g)}## then at equilibrium we have molar concentrations of ##\frac{10-x}{5}##, ##\frac{x}{5}##, and ##\frac{x}{5}##.

##K_c## is then ##\frac{x^2}{10-x}=8.3\cdot 10^{-4}## which we solve for ##x## to get ##0.09##.

This doesn't alight with the given solution unfortunately.
 
zenterix said:
The problem statement gives us ##K##. It seems to me this is ##K_p##.

But I did indeed forget about the existence of ##K_c##.

Suppose the given ##K## is actually ##K_c##.

Then, if ##x## moles of phosgene react to generate ##x## moles each of ##\mathrm{CO(g)}## and ##\mathrm{Cl_2(g)}## then at equilibrium we have molar concentrations of ##\frac{10-x}{5}##, ##\frac{x}{5}##, and ##\frac{x}{5}##.

##K_c## is then ##\frac{x^2}{10-x}=8.3\cdot 10^{-4}## which we solve for ##x## to get ##0.09##.

This doesn't alight with the given solution unfortunately.
Shouldn't it be ##\frac{x^2}{10-x}=(8.3\cdot 10^{-4})(5)##
 
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Chestermiller said:
Shouldn't it be
Yes, you are right. I made an algebraic mistake.

We have

$$K_c=8.3\cdot 10^{-4}=\frac{\frac{x}{5}\frac{x}{5}}{\frac{10-x}{5}}=\frac{x^2}{5(10-x)}$$

which gives

$$x=0.201$$

and so the equilibrium molar concentrations are

$$\frac{(10-0.201)\text{mol}}{5\text{L}}=1.96\text{M}$$

$$\frac{0.201\text{mol}}{5\text{L}}=0.04\text{M}$$

So indeed the problem gave us ##K_c##.
 
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Given that we now know that ##K_c=8.3\cdot 10^{-4}##, we can calculate ##K##, which comes out to 0.04368.

In the OP, that approach works if we use this value of ##K## in the calculation with partial pressures.
 

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