Calculating Electric Field and Potential of a Charged Ring Segment

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The problem involves calculating the electric field and potential at the origin due to a charge Q distributed over a segment of a ring with radius r, specifically between the angles of 90 and 180 degrees. Participants express confusion regarding the differences between uniformly charged rings and segments of rings, particularly in relation to the electric field at the center.

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  • Participants discuss the challenges of applying known formulas for uniformly charged rings to a segment of a ring. Questions arise about the nature of the charge distribution and the implications for the electric field at the center. There is also a mention of integrating over a specific interval to account for the charge segment.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing equations and references from textbooks. Some express uncertainty about the applicability of certain formulas to the problem at hand, while others seek clarification on the differences in charge distribution. No consensus has been reached, but there is a productive exchange of ideas and resources.

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Participants note that the problem may involve assumptions about the uniformity of charge distribution and the specific characteristics of the electric field due to a segment of a ring, which differ from those of a uniformly charged ring. There is also mention of varying formulas encountered in different contexts.

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Hi everyone, i have been looking at this problem for a few days now and i am pretty stuck, ill explain why

first the problem :
a charge Q is distributed over a ring section of radius r, between angles 90 and 180. find the V and E at the origin.

Now the problem I am having ais everything that is kind of similar to this problem or about charged rings is only for uniformly charged rings and i can't find anything about just a segment, and in those cases i think E at the center is 0. Also every where i look I am seeing a different formula for E of a charged ring. I am pretty confused
 
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i also don't understand how only one segment and in this case the 2nd quadrant can be charged..
 
\vec{E}=\int\frac{\lambda\hat{r}}{r^2}ds
Where \lambda merely represents the charge distribution Q, and \hat{r} represents a unit vector perpendicular to each segment pointing towards the origin. You want to take the line integral on the interval (\pi/2, \pi).

Normally, the electric field would be zero in the center of a circle with uniform charge distribution. However, it is not in this instance.
 
thank you, what source did you get that equation from id like to read more about it
 
i see 1/4*pi*eo and to the power of 3/2 in a lot of ring equations that's was confusing me is the difference between those and this one
 
Not entirely sure what level you are at, but this was in both my vector calculus and electrostatics textbook. You may find variations depending on how the charge is distributed (line, surface, etc).
 
College, and the one in my Electromagnetics book is

E=\hat{z}[h/(4\piε0(b^2+h^2)^3/2)]*Q where b is the radius and h is the height, but like i said its for a uniform charge
 
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Octavius1287 said:
College, and the one in my Electromagnetics book is

E=\hat{z}[h/(4\piε0(b^2+h^2)^3/2)]*Q where b is the radius and h is the height, but like i said its for a uniform charge

This is probably what it's referring to.

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I don't know if this will be helpful, but take a look.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elelin.html

Regards
 
ya all those make sense to me, but i read that page and once again it said it was only for a uniform charge
 
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Octavius1287 said:
... i read that page and once again it said it was only for a uniform charge

Yes.

Octavius1287 said:
...problem :
a charge Q is distributed over a ring section of radius r, between angles 90 and 180.

This doesn't mean it is NON-uniform for the rest of the ring. Aren't they looking for the field from the contribution of charge on just this piece of the ring?

If so,

sandy.bridge said:
...You want to take the line integral on the interval (\pi/2, \pi).
 

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