Rotating ring on a rough surface- but with a twist

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The problem involves a ring with two attached masses, m and 2m, rolling on a rough horizontal surface. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the direction of friction and the mechanics of the situation, particularly in relation to the center of mass of the ring.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the center of mass and its relevance. Questions arise about the direction of friction and the application of torque equations. There is also exploration of the moment of inertia and how to approach the problem using free body diagrams.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, raising questions about the mechanics involved and the calculations needed. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of free body diagrams and the consideration of the entire assembly as a system. There is ongoing exploration of the concepts without a clear consensus yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem due to the arrangement of the masses and the requirement to consider torques about specific points. There is mention of homework constraints and the need for detailed calculations to clarify the moment of inertia.

  • #151
TSny said:
The CM moves on a circle that slips on the ##\frac 4 5 R ## line as the ring rolls.
Yes, of course. You cannot have a yoyo-like object rolling without slipping on its inner and outer radius simultaneously. That's something that I pointed out to someone not too long ago but I forgot my own lesson. Thanks for pointing it out.

My plot in #102 (appended below for convenience) shows the path followed by a point (a) on the rim (blue line); (b) the CM at ##\frac{1}{5} R## (red line); (c) the center of the ring (dashed black line). Coordinates ##x## and ##y## are in units of ##R##.

Now that you mentioned it, I remember seeing curtate in some course or other decades ago. It didn't stick.

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  • #152
palaphys said:
Homework Statement: A ring initially at rest begins to roll (pure rolling) on a rough horizontal floor. It has two masses, m and 2m fixed at diametric points, as shown in the figure. If the mass of the ring is 2m, find the:
1. Angular acceleration of the ring
2. Frictional force acting on the ring
3. Normal reaction on the ring
Relevant Equations: Tau= I alpha ,
v= wr

Honestly, I was very confused looking at the problem. With intuition, it is clear that the ring will roll towards the right. But what direction would friction be acting in? That was my first thought.
However I am unable to figure this out, leaving me stuck here.

My only attempt here was to find the com of the ring, which may be useful somehow.
$$\[
\begin{align}
X_{\text{com}} &= \frac{(2m \cdot 0) + (m \cdot (-R)) + (2m \cdot R)}{5m} \\
&= \frac{0 - mR + 2mR}{5m} \\
&= \frac{mR}{5m} \\
&= \frac{R}{5}
\end{align}
$$

I humbly request someone to aid me in this problem and explain the mechanics here, thanks in advance. I'm only used to seeing rings roll where com coincides with geometric center.
here is the official solution:
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