Rotating ring on a rough surface- but with a twist

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The discussion focuses on the mechanics of a ring with two attached masses (m and 2m) rolling on a rough surface. Participants analyze the center of mass (com) of the ring, which is calculated to be at R/5, and explore the implications for angular acceleration, frictional force, and normal reaction. Key equations such as torque (τ = Iα) and the parallel axis theorem are emphasized for solving the problem. The conversation highlights the importance of drawing free body diagrams (FBD) to visualize forces acting on the system.

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  • #151
TSny said:
The CM moves on a circle that slips on the ##\frac 4 5 R ## line as the ring rolls.
Yes, of course. You cannot have a yoyo-like object rolling without slipping on its inner and outer radius simultaneously. That's something that I pointed out to someone not too long ago but I forgot my own lesson. Thanks for pointing it out.

My plot in #102 (appended below for convenience) shows the path followed by a point (a) on the rim (blue line); (b) the CM at ##\frac{1}{5} R## (red line); (c) the center of the ring (dashed black line). Coordinates ##x## and ##y## are in units of ##R##.

Now that you mentioned it, I remember seeing curtate in some course or other decades ago. It didn't stick.

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  • #152
palaphys said:
Homework Statement: A ring initially at rest begins to roll (pure rolling) on a rough horizontal floor. It has two masses, m and 2m fixed at diametric points, as shown in the figure. If the mass of the ring is 2m, find the:
1. Angular acceleration of the ring
2. Frictional force acting on the ring
3. Normal reaction on the ring
Relevant Equations: Tau= I alpha ,
v= wr

Honestly, I was very confused looking at the problem. With intuition, it is clear that the ring will roll towards the right. But what direction would friction be acting in? That was my first thought.
However I am unable to figure this out, leaving me stuck here.

My only attempt here was to find the com of the ring, which may be useful somehow.
$$\[
\begin{align}
X_{\text{com}} &= \frac{(2m \cdot 0) + (m \cdot (-R)) + (2m \cdot R)}{5m} \\
&= \frac{0 - mR + 2mR}{5m} \\
&= \frac{mR}{5m} \\
&= \frac{R}{5}
\end{align}
$$

I humbly request someone to aid me in this problem and explain the mechanics here, thanks in advance. I'm only used to seeing rings roll where com coincides with geometric center.
here is the official solution:
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