A coin toss probability problem

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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving the outcomes of tossing a fair coin six times, specifically focusing on calculating the probability of obtaining three heads and three tails.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to understand how to calculate the number of favorable outcomes for getting three heads and three tails from the total possible outcomes. Some participants suggest combining probabilities and using combinations to find the number of ways to achieve the desired result.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem, with some providing insights into the reasoning behind choosing a specific number of experiments (coin tosses) to achieve the desired outcome. There is acknowledgment of various notations used in combinatorial expressions, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

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There is a mention of different notational conventions for combinations, reflecting the participants' diverse backgrounds. The discussion also highlights the need for clarity in understanding the underlying principles of probability and combinations.

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Homework Statement



If a fair coin is tossed 6 times what is the probability of obtaining 3 heads and 3 tails /

Homework Equations


c(n,r)=n!
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r!(n-r)!

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the no of probable outcomes = 26
= 64
here's what i can't get around how to calculate the no. of times to get 3 heads and 3 tails out of all the other outcomes .
 
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If you have to calculate something like this you could combine the probabilities. If you have to get the result X in the first experiment and the result Y in the second, the total probability is the product of the particular probabilities (only when the first experiment does not influence the second). also, the probability of getting the result the result X or the result Y in one experiment is the sum of the particular probabilities.(You should try to prove those theorems if you haven't herd of them before.)
In your problem, the probability of getting 3 heads and 3 tails is 1/26, but this result can be obtained in various combinations. The number of those ways to combine the results is the number of ways in which you can choose 3 experiments out of 6 to get one particular result. That's C63.
Notice that the number you are asking for is C63 and using your method you get the same result.
 
i still don't really get why we have to choose 3 experiments out of 6
 
#neutrino said:
i still don't really get why we have to choose 3 experiments out of 6
Suppose you have 6 boxes numbered from 1 to 6. Each time you toss the coin you write the result on a paper and put it in the connected box (the first result in box 1, the second in box 2, etc.). You aim to have three papers on which is written tails and three on which is written heads.
Now if you get three papers of each result, you might choose for example tails. Put all the papers with tails in the boxes. This way you get a way of combining your 3-3 result, because the empty boxes will get the rest of the papers (the ones with heads). So it is enough to put one set of papers to get a solution. that's why you can choose just 3 boxes(experiments) out of 6.
You can think the same for results like 2 tails- 4 heads. This way you can observe that the number you get from choosing 2 experiments out of 6 or 4 out of 6 gives the same result. So you will practically prove that C62 = C64.
 
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yup thnx got it
 
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anachin6000 said:
Suppose you have 6 boxes numbered from 1 to 6. Each time you toss the coin you write the result on a paper and put it in the connected box (the first result in box 1, the second in box 2, etc.). You aim to have three papers on which is written tails and three on which is written heads.
Now if you get three papers of each result, you might choose for example tails. Put all the papers with tails in the boxes. This way you get a way of combining your 3-3 result, because the empty boxes will get the rest of the papers (the ones with heads). So it is enough to put one set of papers to get a solution. that's why you can choose just 3 boxes(experiments) out of 6.
You can think the same for results like 2 tails- 4 heads. This way you can observe that the number you get from choosing 2 experiments out of 6 or 4 out of 6 gives the same result. So you will practically prove that C62 = C64.

The usual notation (at least in North America) is ##C_4^6##, not ##C_6^4##, although ##{}_6C_4## or ##{6 \choose 4}## are preferred.
 
Ray Vickson said:
The usual notation (at least in North America) is ##C_4^6##, not ##C_6^4##, although ##{}_6C_4## or ##{6 \choose 4}## are preferred.
Well, I'm from Europe. But is nice to learn worldwide notations:)
 

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