A computation of an integral on page 344 of Schutz's textbook

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The discussion revolves around a computation of an integral presented in Schutz's textbook "A First Course in GR," specifically on page 344. Participants are analyzing the integration process related to a new coordinate transformation involving the variables ##\chi## and ##r##, with a focus on the correct interpretation and execution of the integral.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral calculation and questions where they went wrong in their approach to integrating the transformation from ##r## to ##\chi##.
  • Another participant suggests that the integration should be performed as ##\int \mathrm{d} \chi = \int \mathrm{d}r \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-r^2}}##, implying a correction to the original method.
  • A later reply acknowledges the correction regarding the differential notation, indicating confusion over the integration of ##d(x^2)## versus ##d\chi##.
  • Another participant questions the definition of an integral involving ##\mathrm{d} x^2## and clarifies that it should not be confused with the derivative of ##x^2##.
  • One participant reflects on their misunderstanding and expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the integration process.

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Participants express differing views on the correct approach to the integral, with some clarifying misunderstandings while others challenge the initial computation. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct method of integration.

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There are limitations in the participants' understanding of the differential notation and integration techniques, which may affect their calculations. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps involved in the integration process.

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On page 344 of "A First Course in GR" he writes the following:
Consider, next, ##k=1##. Let us define a new coordinate ##\chi(r)## such that:
$$(12.16)\ \ \ d\chi^2 = \frac{dr^2}{1-r^2}$$
and ##\chi =0 ## where ##r=0##. This integrates to
$$(12.17) \ \ \ r=\sin \chi,$$
When I do the integration I get the following: ##\int_0^{\chi^2}d\chi^2= \int_0^{r^2}\frac{dr^2}{1-r^2}= \chi^2 = -\ln (1-r^2)##, after I invert the last relation I get: ##r=\sqrt{1-\exp(-\chi^2)}##, where did I go wrong in my calculation?

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You should of course integrate
$$\int \mathrm{d} \chi = \int \mathrm{d}r \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-r^2}}...$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
You should of course integrate
$$\int \mathrm{d} \chi = \int \mathrm{d}r \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-r^2}}...$$
Ah, yes you are correct. It's ##(dx)^2## and not ##d(x^2)##.
I am really getting old and sloppy... :-(
 
How do you define and Integral with ##\mathrm{d} x^2##, and it's not ##\mathrm{d} (x^2)=2x \mathrm{d} x##, because you want ##\chi## and not something else ;-).
 
vanhees71 said:
How do you define and Integral with ##\mathrm{d} x^2##, and it's not ##\mathrm{d} (x^2)=2x \mathrm{d} x##, because you want ##\chi## and not something else ;-).
I meant I thought it was ##d(\chi^2)=\frac{d(r^2)}{1-r^2}##. But now I see my mistake, thanks for clearing this simple thing.
 
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