A function whose integral is either 0 or 1

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The discussion revolves around the properties of functions whose integrals yield values of either 0 or 1, particularly in relation to the Kronecker delta function and the Dirac delta function. Participants explore the implications of these properties in various contexts, including quantum mechanics and normalization of wave functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks to generalize the properties of the Kronecker delta function and the Dirac delta function, questioning the existence of other functions that maintain the integral property of being either 0 or 1 based on a parameter's position.
  • Another participant expresses confusion over the initial participant's statements, asking for clarification and examples of applications where the Dirac delta function is considered too restrictive.
  • A later reply discusses the potential for wave-functions in quantum mechanics to act as test functions with compact support, suggesting that normalization could be guaranteed under certain conditions related to the support of the function.
  • One participant proposes using the unit step function to construct a formula that ensures an integral of 1 for a parameter within a specified range and 0 otherwise, while questioning the common practice of integrating over the entire real line.
  • Another participant suggests that having an integral of 1 over a compact region and 0 outside may suffice for certain applications, recommending the exploration of bump functions as a potential solution.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of the integral being 1 only when a specific point is within the range of integration. There is no consensus on the best approach or function to achieve the desired properties.

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Participants reference specific mathematical functions and properties, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and applications of these functions in various contexts.

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I'm trying to generalize the property of the Kronecker delta function which gives
[tex]\sum\nolimits_{i = 0}^n {{\delta _{ij}}} = \left\{ {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> 1&{0 < j < n\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,\,}\\<br /> 0&{j < 0\,\,or\,\,n < j}<br /> \end{array}} \right\}\,\,.[/tex]
The continuous case seems to be the Dirac delta function such that
[tex]\int_R {{\rm{\delta (x - }}{{\rm{x}}_0}){\rm{dx}}} = \left\{ {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> 1&{{x_0} \in R}<br /> \end{array}}\\<br /> {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> 0&{{x_0} \notin R}<br /> \end{array}}<br /> \end{array}} \right\}\,\,.[/tex]
But only using the Dirac delta function seems too restrictive for most applications. I'd like to keep the property of the integral being either 0 or 1, depending on whether some parameter, x0, is or is not within the limits of the integral. But I can't think of any other function for which this is true. It seems that any other continuous function defined only in R will give the same integral no matter if x0 is inside or outside R. So it seems the only way to insure that x0 is always within R is to make R be the whole real line from -∞ to +∞, in which case there is no integration to 0 since x0 is always within R.

But I'm sure I don't know everything. And someone here might know something I don't.
 
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But only using the Dirac delta function seems too restrictive for most applications.
I don't follow. Would you have some examples ?
I'd like to keep the property of the integral being either 0 or 1, depending on whether some parameter, x0, is or is not within the limits of the integral.
Well, nobody is taking it away from you. You must mean something else than what I read from this sentence ?
in which case there is no integration to 0
Isn't clear to me either.

In summary: I tried to understand what your problem is but did not succeed. Can you help me ?

I suppose you read the wikipedia lemma ?
 
Ultimately, I'm hoping to be able to recognize that the wave-functions of quantum mechanics can be seen as test functions with compact support such that for values of some parameters inside the range of that support this guarantees that they can be normalized to 1, and for values outside that support the normalization must be zero. This may allow me to draw parallels between quantum mechanics and some logic that I'm considering.

Or perhaps this is a way to prove that normalization must always be done from -∞ to +∞, (so that the parameter is always in the support) and we only normalize in smaller regions for practical reasons, such as with an infinite square well.

So for example, I think we could always construct a formula that guarantees an integral of 1 for x0∈R, and 0 otherwise, by using the unit step function. With a step function,
[tex]H(z) = \begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> 1&{0 < z}\\<br /> 0&{z < 0}<br /> \end{array}\,\,\,\,.[/tex]
Then, [itex][H({x_0} - {x_{\min }}) - H({x_0} - {x_{\max }})] = 1[/itex] for [itex]{x_{\min }} < {x_0} < {x_{\max }}[/itex], and 0 otherwise. Then we have
[tex]\int_R {\psi (x)} [H({x_0} - {x_{\min }}) - H({x_0} - {x_{\max }})]\,dx\,\, = \,\,\left\{ {\begin{array}{*{20}{c}}<br /> 1&{{x_0} \in R}\\<br /> 0&{{x_0} \notin R}<br /> \end{array}} \right\}[/tex]
with [itex]R = \{ {x_{\min }} < x < {x_{\max }}\}[/itex], and only if
[tex]\int_R {\psi (x)dx = 1\,\,.}[/tex]
But I don't see this being used. So maybe that justifies the use of integrating throughout the entire real line.
 
It seems like you don't need the integral to be 1 only when a particular point is in the range of integration for your application. Simply having an integral of 1 over an entire compact region and a value of 0 outside that region would seem to be sufficient.

I'd look at bump functions in particular.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_function
 

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