A limit involving a recurrent sequence: a(n+1)=a(n)*(a(n)+4)

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The problem involves analyzing the limit of a recurrent sequence defined by a(n+1) = a(n)(a(n)+4) with a1≥0. Participants are tasked with computing limn→∞ (a(n)(1/(2n))) and exploring the behavior of the sequence as n approaches infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss attempts to express a(n) in terms of a1 and explore the implications of the root criterion on the limit. Some suggest rewriting the limit in terms of logarithms to facilitate computation. Others provide insights on approximations for different ranges of a1 and consider the leading contributions for large values.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various approaches and insights. Some have proposed methods to analyze the limit, while others are questioning the dependency of the limit on the initial value a1. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants note that the sequence's behavior varies significantly based on the initial value a1, leading to different limit scenarios. There is also mention of potential indeterminate forms arising in the limit computation.

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Homework Statement


Let (an)n≥1 be a sequence with a1≥0 and an+1=an(an+4), n≥1. Compute limn→∞ (an)(1/(2n)).

Homework Equations


a1≥0
an+1=an(an+4), n≥1
L = limn→∞ (an)(1/(2n))

The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, I had tried to see if an can be expressed only in terms of a1, but I couldn't get something out of this idea.

Then, I used the root criterion:
an+1/an = an+4 → 4 + l, where limn→∞ an = l ∈ℝ∪{-∞,∞}
⇒ limn→∞ (an)1/n = 4 + l
But L= limn→∞ (an)(1/(2n)) = (limn→∞ (an)1/n)limn→∞ n/(2n) = (4 + l)0
So:
- if l∈ℝ\{-4}, then L=1
- and if l∈{-∞, -4,∞}, then L is a ∞0 or 00 indeterminate.

Though, the sequence is either constant (equal to 0) if a1 = 0 (so L=1) or has limn→∞ an = +∞ (a1 > 0) if, so the job is not done.

Knowing that I have to deal with a ∞0, I rewrote the limit as follows:
L= limn→∞ (an)(1/(2n)) = limn→∞ eln[(an)(1/(2n))] = elimn→∞ (ln(an))/(2n)
So everything gets down to computing L'=limn→∞ (ln(an))/(2n)

This is where I got stuck. I tried to use the root criterion again, I tried Stoltz-Cesaro Theorem, both with no success.

Can anyone help me compute this limit or at least give me a direction to continue?
 
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A very interesting problem. With some examples, I found very good approximations for very small and very large a1, and a good approximation over the whole range, but nothing that would fit exactly.

For very large a1, it is possible to identify the leading contributions (the highest powers of a), and develop a formula for the limit. That is not exact, but the error goes to zero for a1 to infinity.
 
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It helps to write a_{n+1} = a_n^2(1 + \frac{4}{a_n}) and set b_n = \frac{\log a_n}{2^n} so that <br /> b_{n+1} - b_n = \frac{1}{2^{n+1}} \log \left( 1 + \frac{4}{a_n} \right).<br /> Now a_n \to \infty for any a_1 &gt; 0, so there exists N \in \mathbb{N} such that if n \geq N then a_n &gt; \frac{4}{e^2 - 1}. Hence for n \geq N we have <br /> b_{n+1} - b_n = \frac{1}{2^{n+1}} \log \left( 1 + \frac{4}{a_n} \right) &lt; \frac{1}{2^n}. But then b_n is cauchy, and so converges to some finite limit. It is possible that the exact limit depends on a_1 though, which is awkward.

EDIT: Since we know b_{n+1} - b_n in terms of a_n we can immediately sum from n=1 to n=N-1 to obtain <br /> b_N = b_1 + \sum_{n=1}^{N-1} \frac{1}{2^{n+1}} \log \left( 1 + \frac{4}{a_n} \right) and hence write down an expression for \lim_{n \to \infty} a_n^{1/2^n}. Then all we need is an expression for a_n in terms of a_1.
 
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pasmith said:
Then all we need is an expression for a_n in terms of a_1.
If we get that, where is the point in bn? You would replace a direct limit (take that expression to the power of 1/(2n)) with a series.

The limit does depend on a0 in a nontrivial way.
 

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