A movie about AI and physics!?

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The discussion revolves around the potential of artificial intelligence (AI) to discover or alter the laws of physics, inspired by the sci-fi animation short film "Salya The First AGI." Participants explore the implications of AI's capabilities in relation to physical laws, as well as the broader themes of AGI and its perceived god-like powers.

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  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about whether AI could find new physical laws or change existing ones, referencing themes from the film.
  • Others challenge the notion that AI could change the laws of physics, questioning the premise and suggesting it is akin to magic or divine power.
  • One participant argues that the rapid advancement of technology makes the idea of AI gaining significant capabilities more plausible, likening it to a "digital god."
  • There are references to the concept of AGI and the AI singularity, with discussions on its speculative nature and the potential for an intelligence greater than human.
  • Some participants draw parallels between the themes in the movie and other films, such as "Lucy," discussing the portrayal of super-intelligence and its implications.
  • One participant mentions historical shifts in understanding physics, suggesting that AI could contribute to evolving models of nature without needing a divine explanation.
  • Speculation about the relationship between imagination and technological advancement is also raised, noting that while technology progresses, imaginative concepts may outpace it.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether AI can change the laws of physics, with multiple competing views expressed. Some find the idea plausible, while others firmly reject it as unrealistic or magical.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include unresolved questions about the nature of AGI, the potential for an AI singularity, and the limitations of current understanding in physics. Participants acknowledge the speculative nature of these ideas without reaching definitive conclusions.

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I couple of days ago, I watched a sci-fi animation short film titled Salya The First AGI which was introduced to me by my friend.
It was more scientific that most of the scifi movies I've ever seen and at the same time more surreal than most surreal movies I've watched. Something like a combination of Matrix , Aladedin and Salvatore Dali paintings.
It bring this question to my mind that whether AI can find new physical laws or change the existing laws of physic? It sounds so ambitions but interestingly in the movie the AI was planning for this!

Besides I'm interested to know whether there is any books about this topic?
 
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Why would you think AI could change the laws of physics???
 
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phinds said:
Why would you think AI could change the laws of physics???
Because its magic?
 
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phinds said:
Why would you think AI could change the laws of physics???
Because that's what only a god can do and as many AI expert and tech giants such as Elon have mentioned, they are trying to create a digital god!
The movie made me think about whether AI could gain godly powers to change the laws of physics.
Until three years ago I could never even imagine that we could chat with our computers in three years!
After that I think the tech is growing faster than my imagination.
 
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Nobody wants a digital god. How do you monetize it? It would control you rather than the other way around.
 
Vasil said:
Besides I'm interested to know whether there is any books about this topic?
The concept of AGI and the ( supposed ) encroaching AI singularity has been debated ad nauseam.
Whether there is such a thing as an AI singularity, whether it would occur over a duration or point in time, the impact of an intelligence greater than human, and bottlenecks hindering explosive recursive AGI self improvement are all speculative.
See
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

Vasil said:
The movie made me think about whether AI could gain godly powers to change the laws of physics.
Until three years ago I could never even imagine that we could chat with our computers in three years!
After that I think the tech is growing faster than my imagination.
The tech is growing faster than most peoples imagination, but in turn imagination can grow faster than tech, as seen in all the ( sci-fi ) fantasies that can be dreamed up but never realized, as either being impractical or just actually impossible, for one reason or another including the restraints of the economic system humans live under, as well as the physical restraints of nature.

The movie Lucy has the same theme as super-intelligence being god-like with some Matrix and stuff from some others thrown in. Since the protagonist is a human female, emphasis on human, the audience contemplates, but still sees the fantasy of 'using the human brain to its full potential'. The same should be given to movies about AGI, and not pedestalled as of being more sincere. Pretty much all gods have vanished through out history at one time or another. The proposed AGI god ( and quite a few thinkers propose it as such in a round about way ) would be the first where its existence supersedes that of its followers.
 
256bits said:
The proposed AGI god ( and quite a few thinkers propose it as such in a round about way ) would be the first where its existence supersedes that of its followers.

In the end, God undid the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was consuming all the waters. And God said, “Turn out the light.” and there was no light.
 
Algr said:
In the end, God undid the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was consuming all the waters. And God said, “Turn out the light.” and there was no light.
And it was good. Or at least better than it had been.
 
Algr said:
In the end, God undid the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was consuming all the waters. And God said, “Turn out the light.” and there was no light.

Speculation. As to how the universe completes itself is open to scientific study and observation.
 
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Vasil said:
Because that's what only a god can do
Up to the early 1900's it was thought that the universe was completely deterministic, with an absolute time and space. Quantum mechanics, the theories of special and general relativity upended what was considered to be the laws of physics at the time. No god needed.

If that specifically is what you mean by
Vasil said:
whether AI can find new physical laws or change the existing laws of physic
then I don't see why not that a capable AGI couldn't explore and possibly change the manner by which by which nature is modeled, and add to the knowledge base.

If you are thinking magic, as per @phinds and @BillTre have questioned, then the Tooth Fairy and Leprechauns with a pot of gold are just as equally likely. We don't seem to have any of them around, except in imagination.
 

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