A multivariable chain rule problem

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The discussion revolves around a multivariable chain rule problem involving differentiable functions defined on different dimensions. Participants are exploring how to express the differential of a function F in terms of the partial derivatives of functions f and g, with a focus on the application of the chain rule.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem and seeks assistance in finding DF in terms of the partials of f and g.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the work done so far and whether the problem is part of a homework assignment.
  • A participant provides a formulation for DF and suggests that the chain rule should be applied to evaluate the derivative D_3f(x,y,g(x,y)).
  • Another participant corrects the misunderstanding regarding the notation, stating that since F is a function of \mathbb{R}^2, the derivatives should be D_1F and D_2F, and emphasizes the need to write out the definition of the partial derivative before expanding F.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There appears to be some confusion regarding the notation and the application of the chain rule, with differing interpretations of how to approach the problem. No consensus has been reached on the correct method to express DF.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps involved in applying the chain rule, and there are ongoing discussions about the correct interpretation of the notation used for derivatives.

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Hello all,

I am stuck on what seems like a rather simple problem:

Let f:\mathbb{R}^3 \rightarrow \mathbb{R} and g:\mathbb{R}^2\rightarrow \mathbb{R} be differentiable. Let F:\mathbb{R}^2 \rightarrow \mathbb{R} be defined by the equation
F(x,y)=f(x,y,g(x,y)).
Find DF in terms of the partials of f and g.

I would greatly appreciate any help.
 
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What work have you done on it so far? Where are you getting stuck?

(Also, if this is homework, we have a separate forum for that).
 
\begin{array}{ll}<br /> DF(x,y) &amp;= Df(x,y,g(x,y))\\<br /> &amp;= \begin{bmatrix} D_1f(x,y,g(x,y)) &amp; D_2f(x,y,g(x,y)) &amp; D_3f(x,y,g(x,y)) \end{bmatrix}<br /> \end{array}
I suspect that the chain rule should be used, in some way, to evaluate D_3f(x,y,g(x,y)).

Also, this isn't homework; I just started reading Analysis on Manifolds by James Munkres a few days ago.
 
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\begin{array}{ll}<br /> DF(x,y) &amp;= Df(x,y,g(x,y))\\<br /> &amp;= \begin{bmatrix} D_1f(x,y,g(x,y)) &amp; D_2f(x,y,g(x,y)) &amp; D_3f(x,y,g(x,y)) \end{bmatrix}<br /> \end{array}
I suspect that the chain rule should be used, in some way, to evaluate D_3f(x,y,g(x,y)).

I think I see where you are getting confused. Hint: There is no such thing as D_3F :-o

Since F is a function of \mathbb{R}^2, D_1F = \frac{dF}{dx}, and D_2F = \frac{dF}{dy}. Therefore, the gradient (DF) is going to be (D_1F, D_2F).

The notation is misleading. You probably want to write out the definition of the partial derivative, D_1 F = \frac{F(x+\epsilon, y) - F(x, y)}{\epsilon}, (and similarly for D_2 F). Only then should you expand F out.
 

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