A problem on differential equations

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The problem involves a boy consuming a 250 gram burger, where his rate of consumption is described by a differential equation related to the mass he has eaten. The objective is to determine the time taken to finish the meal.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the consumption rate and question the initial mass of the burger. There are attempts to integrate the differential equation and clarify the interpretation of variables involved.

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Multiple interpretations of the consumption rate and initial conditions are being explored. Some participants have identified potential errors in integration and the calculation of the integration constant. There is ongoing clarification regarding the meaning of the negative time result.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may impose specific rules on the approach to the problem. There is an emphasis on understanding the setup and assumptions rather than arriving at a definitive solution.

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Homework Statement


A boy is eating a 250 gram burger. When he has eaten a mass m grams, his rate of consumption is given by ## 100-1/900m^2## grams per minute. How long does it take him to finish the meal?[/B]

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##dm/dt=100-1/900m^2 , dm/dt=(90000-m^2)/900
⇒dt/dm=900/(90000-m^2), t=∫900/(300+m)(300-m) dm##
let
##u=(300+m), t=∫900/(u(600-u))du=
900/(u(600-u))= (A/u +B/u)## on solving, ##A=1.5 ##and ##B=1.5## thus
##t=∫(1.5/u+1.5/(600-u))du =1.5lnu+1.5ln(600-u)+k
=1.5ln(300+m)+1.5ln(300-m)##
using
##t(250)=0## we have
## 0=1.5ln(300+250)+1.5ln(300-250)+k## where k=-1.5ln27500##
thus

## t=1.5ln(300+m)+1.5ln(300-m)-1.5ln27500
at ##m=0##

i assumed that here the burger would have been eaten and no remnants
##t=1.5ln300+1.5ln300-1.5ln27500##
##t=1.78##
the textbook answer on this is ##t=3.6 minutes##
 
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Is this a 25 gram burger or a 250 gram burger?

A 25 gram burger is about 1 bite.

Also, is the consumption rate ##100 - (\frac{1}{900}m^2)## or ##(100 - \frac{1}{900m^2})##
 
consumption rate is ##100-(1/900)m^2##
 
chwala said:
consumption rate is ##100-(1/900)m^2##
What about the initial size of the burger - 25 grams or 250 grams?
 
the initial burger is 250grams. it is eaten (all of it) until it becomes 0 grams.
 
chwala said:

Homework Statement


A boy is eating a 250 gram burger. When he has eaten a mass m grams, his rate of consumption is given by ## 100-1/900m^2## grams per minute. How long does it take him to finish the meal?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



$$\frac{dm}{dt}=100-\frac{1}{900}m^2$$
$$\frac{dm}{dt}=\frac{(90000-m^2)}{900}$$
⇒$$\frac{dm}{dt}=\frac{900}{(90000-m^2)}$$
$$t=\int \frac{900}{(300+m)(300-m)} dm$$
let ##u=(300+m)##

$$t=\int \frac{900}{u(600-u)}du$$
$$\frac{900}{u(600-u)}= \frac{A}{u} + \frac{B}{600-u}$$
on solving, ##A=1.5 ## and ##B=1.5##

After this point, you have some errors in your integration for the second partial fraction term.
 
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I have seen the error:
##t=1.5 ln u - 1.5 ln (600-u) + k ##
eventually

## t = 1.5 ln 300 - 1.5 ln 300 - 1.5 ln 11##
## t = -3.6min##
why do we have a negative? is it taking care of the fact that the burger was initially whole and with every bite it kept on decreasing in mass value until the point
## m=0## ?
 
chwala said:
I have seen the error:
##t=1.5 ln u - 1.5 ln (600-u) + k ##
eventually

## t = 1.5 ln 300 - 1.5 ln 300 - 1.5 ln 11##
## t = -3.6min##
why do we have a negative? is it taking care of the fact that the burger was initially whole and with every bite it kept on decreasing in mass value until the point
## m=0## ?
##m## is the mass eaten:
chwala said:
A boy is eating a 250 gram burger. When he has eaten a mass m grams, his rate of consumption is given by ## 100-1/900m^2## grams per minute.
 
am not getting you ## dt/dm=1.5/(300+m)-1.5/(300-m)##
and which is equal to
##1.5/u+1.5/(300-(u-300)## =
## 1.5/u-1.5/(600-u)## =
##900/(u(600-u))## =
##900/(300+m)(300-m)## =
## 900/(90000-m^2)## as indicated in my original post. my question still is why do we have ##-3.6##minutes?
 
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Your calculation looks correct to me (I thought there was a sign error, but I was wrong about that).
Your interpretation of ##m## is wrong. ##m## is the mass eaten, so at t=0, m=0, and when the boy finishes his hamburger, m=250 grams.
 
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ok sam let me have a look at my equations again, greetings from Africa
 
  • #12
chwala said:
ok sam let me have a look at my equations again, greetings from Africa
To be totally clear, your formula for ##t## is correct, but the error starts when you compute the integration constant ##k##.
 
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thanks now clear , we have
##k=0##
then
## t= 1.5ln 550-1.5ln50##
=##1.5ln(550/50)= 1.5ln11 = 3.59 ## minutes
 

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