A projectile is shot straight up from the Earth's surface

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The problem involves a projectile shot straight up from the Earth's surface at a specified speed. It is situated within the context of gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy, exploring the implications of height and gravitational forces as the projectile ascends.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of gravitational equations, particularly questioning the validity of using the equation mgh at higher altitudes. There are attempts to relate kinetic energy to gravitational potential energy and inquiries about the necessary parameters, such as the radius from the Earth's center.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various gravitational equations and their applicability to the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of Newton's law of gravitation and the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach.

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Participants note the absence of certain mass values and the need to consider the initial gravitational potential at the launch height. The problem's complexity is heightened by the requirement to account for changes in gravitational potential energy as the projectile ascends.

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Homework Statement


A projectile is shot straight up from the Earth's surface at a speed of 1.10×10^4 km/hr



Homework Equations


mgh=.5mv^2


The Attempt at a Solution


I converted the speed to m/s and 3055.5556 m/s
masses cancel out so i get 9.8h=.5v^2
I plugged in v and solved for H and got 476347.95m, which was wrong.
I'm not sure if this is how you are supposed to solve this problem, but i can't think of any other ways.
 
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"mgh" works only for low altitudes.
 
voko said:
"mgh" works only for low altitudes.

Ok, what would I use then?
What other gravitational equations have height in them?
 
Newton's law of gravitation?
 
Newton's law of gravitation is Fg=GmM/r^2. or Ug= GmM/r
how would I get height out of that?
 
What is "r"?
 
radius and I'm not given any masses. the m would cancel out if I do KE=PE, but the M wouldnt
 
Radius from where?
 
r would be radius from center of the Earth to the projectile.
so would I do GmM/R=.5mv^2?
G=6.673x10^-11
M=5.972x10^24
solve for R and subtract by radius of earth?
 
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That would be correct. Note that you could find out what GM is by considering the magnitude of the force of gravity right at the surface of the Earth.
 
  • #11
I converted 1.10x10^4 km/hr to 3055.55555m/s and solved for R and got 85328725.7m and then I subtracted by the Earth Radius which is 6371000m and got 78955725.7 as the final answer but that is still wrong
 
  • #12
The projectile begins at a certain radius, so it has some initial gravitational potential. It ends up at some new distance with another gravitational potential. The KE from the launch is exchanged for this change in gravitational PE.

So you should write an expression for the change in gravitational PE and relate it to the change in KE.
 
  • #13
Excuse me for butting in but isn't there a relationship something like E = G(m1)(m2)(1/(r1) -1/(r2))

or you can use calculus to integrate E = Int(G(m1)(m2)/r^2) from the surface of the Earth r1 to r2
 

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