A question about intersection of system of sets

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the intersection of sets, specifically the intersection of an empty set, denoted as \bigcap \emptyset. Participants clarify that in Zermelo-Fraenkel (ZF) set theory, this intersection is often left undefined because it implies the existence of a set containing all sets, which contradicts ZF axioms. The conversation also touches on the validity of certain logical statements and the necessity of understanding foundational logic before delving deeper into set theory. Additionally, there is debate over the interpretation of "undefined" versus "empty set," with emphasis on the importance of rigorous definitions in mathematical discourse. Overall, the complexities of set theory and its foundational principles are highlighted as essential for comprehension.
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xxxx0xxxx said:
I disagree on the following point.

I overlooked that you are referring to: y∈{x | φ(x)} ↔ φ(y) as though it is a definition, when it is actually not.

y∈{x | φ(x)} ↔ φ(y) is a theorem of naive set theory that restates the axiom of abstraction using the {...|...} operator.

In ZF, this theorem admits Russell's paradox, and cannot be a theorem of ZF.

The correct theorem in ZF is:

y \in \{x | \phi (x) \} \Rightarrow \phi (y)

The equivalence cannot be justified from the separation axiom, and must be an implication to avoid the paradox.

And as you may probably have already guessed, and operation definition for {x | φ(x)} is required in order to eliminate {x | φ(x)} entirely to wff's in the object language:

\{x | \phi (x) \} = w \Leftrightarrow [ \forall x (x \in w \Leftrightarrow \phi (x)) \wedge w \mbox{ is a set} ] \vee [\neg \exists B \forall x (x \in B \Leftrightarrow \phi (x)) \wedge w = \emptyset]

This definition along with

\{ x | \phi (x) \} \not = \emptyset

proves the implication, but the converse


\phi (y) \Rightarrow y \in \{x | \phi (x) \}

cannot be shown to follow from separation.

Yes, I understand you completely. But I think you fail to understand me. You're taking the point-of-view of Suppes. This is not standard terminology!
Please, read another book on set theory and you will see what I'm talking about.

I can make suggestion to you that will increase your understanding and point-of-views. But only you can follow them :smile:

Good luck on your research!
 

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