Unions and intersections of collections of sets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concepts of unions and intersections of collections of sets, specifically focusing on the notation and definitions involved. Participants explore examples involving sets defined by intervals and inequalities, and clarify their understanding of these operations in the context of set theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the notation and definitions related to unions and intersections of sets, specifically using the example of sets defined as intervals, An = [-n, n].
  • Another participant confirms the understanding of the union of the collection as the set of all x in any of the An, and the intersection as the set of all x in every An.
  • It is proposed that the union of the intervals is all real numbers, while the intersection is the empty set, which is later challenged by another participant who points out that the number 0 is included in all intervals.
  • A participant introduces a new example with An = { k >= n }, questioning whether the union would be all real numbers and stating that the intersection would be the empty set, which is later confirmed by another participant.
  • Concerns are raised about the notation used in the examples, with suggestions for clearer representations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of unions and intersections, but there is disagreement regarding specific examples and the outcomes of those examples, particularly concerning the intersection of the sets.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the clarity of the notation used, and some assumptions about the definitions of the sets are not explicitly stated, leading to potential misunderstandings.

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My proof class just took a turn for the worst for me - I don't understand this.

First, the notation is extremely confusing to me, I need help to make sure I'm getting this.

If An is some set for some natural number n such as [-n, n].

Then (script A) the collection is the set of all An? Is that correct?

Just a basis needed..


Now, the definitions of unions and intersections got me super confused. But what I am getting out of it.. is that

U(script A)

Is the set of all x that are in any of the An in the collection, while

(intersection) An is the set of all x that are in every An in the collection?

So, in my example,

U(script A) is the set of all x that are in at least one of the An, which is all real numbers, because all real numbers will fall into one of those intervals.

while

(intersection)(script A) is the set of all x that are in all An, which is the empty set, because no real number will fall into every one of those intervals.



Ugh.. does anyone even know what I'm talking about? This is strange.
 
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1MileCrash said:
My proof class just took a turn for the worst for me - I don't understand this.

First, the notation is extremely confusing to me, I need help to make sure I'm getting this.

If An is some set for some natural number n such as [-n, n].

Then (script A) the collection is the set of all An? Is that correct?

We don't know how you defined \mathcal{A}. But that definition makes sense so I think you are correct.

Just a basis needed..


Now, the definitions of unions and intersections got me super confused. But what I am getting out of it.. is that

U(script A)

Is the set of all x that are in any of the An in the collection, while

(intersection) An is the set of all x that are in every An in the collection?

Correct.

So, in my example,

U(script A) is the set of all x that are in at least one of the An, which is all real numbers, because all real numbers will fall into one of those intervals.

Correct.

while

(intersection)(script A) is the set of all x that are in all An, which is the empty set, because no real number will fall into every one of those intervals.

Not correct. The number 0 will be in every one of those intervals. So \bigcap \mathcal{A}=\{0\}

Ugh.. does anyone even know what I'm talking about? This is strange.

It's weird notation, I know. But you will eventually get used to it. You seem to grasp it alright.
 
Thank you.. I see my error. I think I confused it with this one here:

Consider An = { k >= n }

Where k is a natural number.

Would it be correct to say that the union of the collection is all real numbers, since all k can fall into (at least one) An set?

And that the intersection is the empty set, since no natural number k is greater than or equal to ALL natural numbers n?
 
1MileCrash said:
Thank you.. I see my error. I think I confused it with this one here:

Consider An = { k >= n }

Where k is a natural number.

I don't like that notation. You should write it better. For example

A_n=\{k\in \mathbb{N}~\vert~k\geq n\}

Would it be correct to say that the union of the collection is all real numbers, since all k can fall into (at least one) An set?

But k are natural numbers. So you can't get all the real numbers. The union would be the set of all the natural numbers.

And that the intersection is the empty set, since no natural number k is greater than or equal to ALL natural numbers n?

Correct.
 
Right right... just need to shut up and practice for now!

Thanks a bunch for your help again!
 

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