A question about limit superior for function

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the properties of the limit superior of a function as it approaches a point, particularly whether the limit superior can be equated to the limit superior of sequences converging to that point. The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the limit superior of a function can be equated to the limit superior of any sequence converging to the same point, proposing a specific formulation.
  • Another participant argues that the proposed equivalence is not true, stating that the limit superior as x approaches a is less than or equal to c for any sequence and equals c for at least one sequence.
  • A further response seeks clarification on the previous claim, indicating a lack of understanding regarding the argument presented.
  • An example is provided where a function takes different values for rational and irrational inputs, illustrating that the limit superior can differ based on the nature of the sequences chosen.
  • One participant acknowledges the example and expresses a shift in their original intention, noting that their approach to establish a statement about limit superior and limit inferior is now deemed infeasible.
  • Another participant adds that the conversion of limits from functions to sequences is only valid for continuous functions, suggesting that discontinuities may lead to failures in similar limit superior arguments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the initial claim about the limit superior of functions and sequences, with multiple competing views presented throughout the discussion. The discussion remains unresolved as different perspectives on the properties of limit superior are explored.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the continuity of functions and the specific nature of sequences chosen, which may affect the validity of the claims made. The discussion does not resolve these limitations.

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It is well known that limit of function can be converted to limit of sequence. I wonder if it still holds for limit superior of function. This problem is formulated as follows: For function f:\mathbb R\rightarrow\mathbb R and a\in\mathbb R, define {\lim\sup}\limits_{x\to a}f(x) to be \inf\limits_{\delta>0}(\sup\limits_{0<|x-a|<\delta}f(x)). Can we have {\lim\sup}\limits_{x\to a}f(x)=c iff {\lim\sup}\limits_{n\to\infty}f(x_n)=c for any sequence <x_n> satisfying 1)x_n\in\mathbb R, 2)x_n\to a and 3)x_n\ne a. I have no idea how to prove it, can you help me? Thanks!
 
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It is not true as you stated it. The limsup (x->a) ≤ c for any sequence and = c for at least one sequence.
 
mathman said:
It is not true as you stated it. The limsup (x->a) ≤ c for any sequence and = c for at least one sequence.
I cannot understand your reply, could you please explain in more detail? Thanks.
 
Example f(x)=1 for x rational, f(x)=0 for x irrational. Let a=0, limsup(x->a) f(x)=1. Take any sequence (xk) of irrational numbers converging to a, limsup f(xk)=0.
 
A great example, I got it! Thank you!
My original intention is to try to establish the statement "both lim sup f(x) and lim inf f(x) exist and equal c (possibly \pm\infty) iff lim f(x) exists and equals c" from analogical statement for sequence. But now this approach is not feasible. I then proved the above statement for functions by definition. Thank you again, mathman!
 
It is well known that limit of function can be converted to limit of sequenc

This is only true for functions that are continuous at the point. So it's not surprising that a limsup styled in the same manner would fail for a function that is everywhere discontinuous
 

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