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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the second moment of a Poisson process, specifically addressing the discrepancy between two methods of deriving E[Nt²]. Participants explore the implications of quadratic variation and the definitions of variance and second moment in the context of Poisson processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that for a Poisson process Nt with jump intensity λ, the quadratic variation is [N,N]t=Nt, leading to E[Nt²]=E[[N,N]t]=λ*t.
  • Another participant references a source indicating that E[Nt²]=(t*λ)²+t*λ, suggesting a conflict with the previous result.
  • Some participants propose that there may be confusion between the second moment and the variance, as indicated by a later reply.
  • A participant questions why two different results for E[Nt²] arise from different methods, indicating a potential mistake in the derivation of E[Nt²]=λ*t.
  • There is a suggestion that the expression E[Nt²]=λ*t looks incorrect unless the mean is zero, implying that it might actually represent variance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct calculation of E[Nt²], with some suggesting confusion between the second moment and variance, while others maintain differing views on the derivations presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights potential limitations in the derivations presented, including assumptions about the definitions of second moments and variances, as well as the context of the calculations.

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Hey guys, I encounter a question (maybe a silly one )that puzzles me. Nt is a Poisson process and λ is the jump intensity.Since the quadratic variation of Poisson process is [N,N]t=Nt, and Nt2-[N,N]t is a martingale, it follows that E[Nt2]=E[[N,N]t]=λ*t. On the other hand, the direct calculation of E[Nt2] can be found in https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Variance_of_Poisson_Distribution, which indicates E[Nt2]=(t*λ)2+t*λ. The two results are different. I really appreciate it if somebody can help me.
 
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It would help to know the context of that calculation and the meaning of the individual symbols.
 
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Nt is a Poisson process and λ is the jump intensity.Since the quadratic variation of Poisson process is [N,N]t=Nt, and Nt2-[N,N]t is a martingale, it follows that E[Nt2]=E[[N,N]t]=λ*t. On the other hand, the direct calculation of E[Nt2] can be found in https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Variance_of_Poisson_Distribution
 
ssyldy said:
Hey guys, I encounter a question (maybe a silly one )that puzzles me. Nt is a Poisson process and λ is the jump intensity.Since the quadratic variation of Poisson process is [N,N]t=Nt, and Nt2-[N,N]t is a martingale, it follows that E[Nt2]=E[[N,N]t]=λ*t. On the other hand, the direct calculation of E[Nt2] can be found in https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Variance_of_Poisson_Distribution, which indicates E[Nt2]=(t*λ)2+t*λ. The two results are different. I really appreciate it if somebody can help me.
It looks like someone has confused the second moment with the variance.
 
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mathman said:
It looks like someone has confused the second moment with the variance.
Hi dude, seems like you know the answer. Could you explain?
 
ssyldy said:
Hi dude, seems like you know the answer. Could you explain?
General formulas for a random variable X:
second moment: E(X^2)
variance: E(X^2)-(E(X))^2
 
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mathman said:
General formulas for a random variable X:
second moment: E(X^2)
variance: E(X^2)-(E(X))^2
Yeah, I know that. But my question is, why would I get two different results of E[Nt2] using two different methods?
 
ssyldy said:
Yeah, I know that. But my question is, why would I get two different results of E[Nt2] using two different methods?
My guess - a mistake in the derivation. E[N_t^2]=\lambda t looks wrong (unless the mean=0). It is the variance.
 
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