A Question on Special Relativity

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The problem involves two clusters of galaxies moving at relativistic speeds and requires determining the time it takes for one cluster to pass through another from the Earth's reference frame. The context is rooted in special relativity, particularly focusing on relative velocities and time dilation effects.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss various approaches, including calculating relative velocity and considering the implications of using different reference frames. Questions arise about how to apply the relativistic factor and the interpretation of the clusters' diameters in the context of Lorentz contraction.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of reference frames and the need to consider Lorentz contraction, but no consensus has been reached on a specific solution path.

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There is ambiguity regarding the proper diameters of the clusters and how they should be interpreted in the Earth's frame. Participants are also navigating the challenge of working with relativistic speeds while maintaining clarity on the reference frame used for calculations.

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You should take the velocity of light c = 3 x 105 km s^-1
Two spherical clusters of galaxies each have a diameter D = 10^20 km.
Cluster 1 is traveling at 258,000 kms^-1 relative to the Earth
while cluster 2 is traveling in the same direction at 171,000 kms^-1 .

Suppose that cluster 1 is just starting to pass through cluster 2 in the reference frame of the Earth.

How long would it take for cluster 1 to pass completely through cluster 2 in the reference frame of the Earth, assuming that there is no gravitational interaction between the two galaxy clusters.

Passing time = ? x D / c
Enter your answer to ONE decimal place as a multiple of D/c,
i.e. without entering values for D/c at this stage

Now evaluate your answer in millions of years.
= ? million years
Enter your answer to the nearest integer.


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The Attempt at a Solution


I've not done relativity since I was at college over a year ago, and now i have some coursework that is all on relativity and I have no idea what I'm doing, so any help or guidance would really be appreciated, thanks.
 
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What would be your approach to solve this if you ignored relativity?
 
I would work out how fast cluster 1 is moving relative to cluster 2, which is 87,000kms^-1.
And then i simply do time = distance/speed = 1.149E15.
So assuming I've gotten that right, i have to apply the relativistic factor somewhere?
 
Basically your idea is to use cluster 2's reference frame. This gets complicated, because you are given (almost) everything in the Earth's frame, and the result is also required to be the Earth's frame. It is best to stay in the Earth frame.

Now, what you are not given in the Earth's frame is the diameters of the clusters, although this is not entirely clear from the description. I think you have to assume they are their proper diameters, so you have obtain their (Lorentz-contracted) diameters in the Earth's frame. Let's call them d1 and d2.

Let's say that the point where cluster 1 touches cluster 2 "face-to-back" at time t = 0 is x = 0. You need to find the time t = T such that at x = X cluster 1 touches cluster 2 "back-to-face". These x, X, t and T are all in the terrestrial frame. Can you find the relationship for X, T, d1, d2, v1 and v2?
 

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