A question regarding the definition of a tensor

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The discussion revolves around the definition and properties of tensors, particularly focusing on the transformation rules associated with them and the distinction between scalars and rank-0 tensors. Participants explore conceptual clarifications and examples related to these mathematical objects.

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  • One participant seeks clarification on what is meant by an "unchanging rule" in the context of tensor transformation between coordinate systems, suggesting it refers to the preservation of the "collection of quantities" across different systems.
  • Another participant notes that the change of coordinate system must adhere to specific transformations, such as proper rotations or scalings, and that reflections are not permitted.
  • A participant discusses the addition of tensors and compares it to the addition of scalar quantities, highlighting that while some scalars can be added linearly, others, like electrical resistance, do not follow the same rules due to their dependence on configuration (e.g., series vs. parallel connections).
  • One participant introduces the concept of the conductivity tensor in electromagnetic field theory, explaining that in an isotropic medium, it simplifies to a rank-0 tensor, which contrasts with the behavior of electrical resistance.

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Participants express varying interpretations of tensor properties and their mathematical treatment, indicating that multiple competing views remain on the definitions and examples discussed.

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Limitations include the lack of consensus on specific examples of scalars that are not rank-0 tensors and the nuances of tensor addition rules that may depend on context.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals studying tensors in mathematics or physics, particularly those interested in the foundational concepts and properties of tensors and their applications in various fields.

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Hello,

I have recently started reading some notes on introduction to tensors, trying to get more familiar with this mathematical object. I have two questions I can't seem to answer myself:

1. A tensor is roughly defined in the text as a collection of quantities associated with a point in space, which transform according to an unchanging rule. What is meant by an unchanging rule? what exactly is NOT changing?
The following is how I answered to myself: an unchanging rule is a rule according to which the "collection of quantities" is transformed between coordinate systems, without changing the "collection of quantities" or the way it may be interpreted in each coordinates system. Am I right?

2. One line in the text states that "while every rank-0 tensor is a scalar, not every scalar is a rank-0 tensor". temperature is a clear example of a scalar quantity that can be considered a rank-0 tensor, but I could not think of any example for a scalar that is NOT a rank-0 tensor. Could someone please provide one?

Many thanks!
 
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Yes you have the idea but the change of coordinate system cannot be totally arbitrary. It has to be chosen from any of the 'proper rotations' or from scalings. Reflection is also called an 'improper rotation' and is disallowed.

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Tensors obey the rules of linear algebra (plus some other rules of their own) so for, instance you can add two tensors in only one (linear) way

R+S = S+R = T

This is also true of some single quantity entities such as energy or mass.

So 4kg + 2 kg is 6 kg however you add them up.

Electrical resistance, however is a single quantity entity that cannot be handled in this way because adding two resistors in parallel yields a different result from adding them in series.
 
Studiot,

Thank you very much for your response, It certainly helped me out.
 
I should, perhaps, point out that there is something called the conductivity tensor in electromagnetic field theory. In an isotropic medium this tensor reduces to a single value - zero rank tensor.

This highlights a major difference between electrical resistance and resistivity.

go well
 

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