A redox titration with kmno4- and h2o2 help

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The discussion revolves around a redox titration involving potassium permanganate (KMnO4) and hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), with sulfuric acid (H2SO4) added for visibility. Participants seek assistance with calculations related to the average volume of permanganate used and the implications of various factors on the titration results.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help calculating the average volume of permanganate ion used in the titration.
  • Another participant requests a complete problem statement, including details about the titration and concentrations involved.
  • It is noted that the KMnO4 concentration is 0.025 M, and the average volume used was 14.32 mL.
  • Participants discuss the meaning of molarity and how to calculate the amount of permanganate in a given volume.
  • Several calculations are proposed, including moles of permanganate used, moles of hydrogen peroxide titrated, and percent by mass of hydrogen peroxide in the solution.
  • One participant expresses a desire to understand the concepts rather than simply finding answers through external sources.
  • There is a question about whether the average volume refers to the average of all titration measurements or something else.
  • Another participant suggests that averaging the volume measurements is likely what is intended for the calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about the impact of a contaminant that reacts with hydrogen peroxide on the percent of hydrogen peroxide measured.
  • One participant speculates that the presence of a contaminant would decrease the measured percent of hydrogen peroxide.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to calculate the average volume of permanganate used and the implications of contaminants, but there is no consensus on the exact interpretation of the average volume question or the effects of contaminants on the results.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the need for a complete problem statement and the importance of understanding molarity, indicating that assumptions about prior knowledge may affect the discussion.

Who May Find This Useful

Students studying redox titrations, particularly those working with potassium permanganate and hydrogen peroxide, as well as those interested in understanding the calculations and implications of titration results.

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Homework Statement


Calculate the average volume of permangate ion used.

I'm given the average volume of kmno4 used.

Homework Equations



N=m/mm

The Attempt at a Solution



I tried to just average my kmno4 used, but I don't believe that's what my teacher is looking for. Help?[/B]
 
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You'll need to give a complete problem statement: what you're titrating, concentration of titrant, etc..
 
Alright;

We're titrating KMnO4 against H2O2, with some added H2SO4 so it can be a visible change.

The KMnO4 is .025 M, and we're using various amounts.

The H2SO4 is 6M

I need to find the Molar Concentration of KMnO4 (I think that's the .025?) and the average volume of Permangate Ion used.

The average amount of KMnO4 titrated against the H2O2 was 14.32 mL

Is that enough?
 
Do you know what " 0.025 M " means?

If you know how much permanganate ion is in 1 litre, then how much is in 14.32 ml ?

I would guess that this is part of a series of sub-questions? If so perhaps you could show the whole question.
 
Calculate the average volume of Permangate Ion used
Calculate the moles of Permangate Ion used
Calculate the number of moles hydrogen Peroxide titrated
Calculate the number of grams of H2O2 titrated
Assuming the density of the hydrogen peroxide solution to be 1.00 g/ml, calculate the percent hydrogen peroxide by mass in the solution.

Also, thank you about the M thing. I have no clue how I missed that.
 
So you are ok with moles and molar solutions?

If not, this is the first result I found when I Googled molar.

You will also need to write the equation for the reaction.

This titration is so well known and used in education, that you'll probably find the whole thing worked through on some chemistry site, if you google it.
 
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I don't want to google it and copy it so I can learn from this. Thanks for the site.

I just have one quick question. When they ask for the average volume of permangate ion used, is that the average volume of all the kmno4 used during titrating, or something else?
 
I assume, since they ask you to average your volume measurements, then they want you to use this average for the remainder of the calculation.

The alternative, to do all the calculations for each measurement, then average the results, would be much more work. I guess it would give the same result.

Why do you think you repeat the titration and average the volumes?

Also see Blobkins post about 3 or 4 down from yours in the forum. https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/how-to-calculate-number-of-moles-of-h2o2-oxidized.832731/
 
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Alright, thank you very much. I was able to finish all my questions for the actual calculations after that one hump I had issues with.

Also; I was able to finish most of my analysis questions concerning if there was a time where someone forgot to put the acid into the flask.

There's only one more thing I'm getting stuck on, and it's a question talking about how if there was a contaminating chemical which also reacted with hydrogen peroxide, how would it affect the percent of hydrogen peroxide.

My gut is telling me that it would decrease the percent, because it would use it up, but I'm not 100% sure on that.
 
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I'd think you're right.
You are finding how much permanganate reacts with the peroxide. If a contaminent is reacting with some of the peroxide, then there is more peroxide than you measure with your permanganate.
 

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