A shot in the head turn into a man....

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The discussion revolves around a case where a man with a mental illness attempted suicide by shooting himself in the head, resulting in an unexpected recovery from his mental disorder. Participants explore the implications of such traumatic brain injuries on mental health, memory, and personality, while seeking bibliographic references for further reading.

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  • Some participants question how a gunshot wound could lead to a change in mental health, suggesting that it might be related to the specific brain regions affected.
  • Others mention that while recovery from traumatic brain injury is rare, it can occur, and various factors influence the outcomes.
  • A participant references the case of Phineas Gage, where a tamping iron caused significant personality changes, drawing parallels to the current discussion.
  • There is mention of therapies like electroconvulsive therapy that may have unexpected benefits for mental illness, although their mechanisms are not well understood.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the specifics of memory retention and cognitive function following such injuries, indicating a lack of consensus on the effects of neural damage.
  • One participant highlights the rarity of the situation, noting that few individuals survive gunshot wounds to the head and subsequently excel academically.
  • Another participant emphasizes the redundancy of brain cells, suggesting that losing some neurons might not completely disable certain functions, but this is presented as a theoretical possibility.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the mechanisms behind the recovery from mental illness following a gunshot wound, and multiple competing views remain regarding the implications of such injuries on brain function and personality.

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Participants express a desire for bibliographic references to better understand the phenomena discussed, indicating that the topic may involve complex medical and psychological concepts that are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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Translation: A man with a mental illness tried to kill himself with a shot in the head. Instead of dying, the bullet struck the part of the brain that caused the mental disorder; he healed and became a great student in college.

I know that the page is not there these things. But I have a question: How a thing, like a shot, can turn into our brain? Why it happened that with this man, how this can be possible? I would like bibliographic references to read about it.
 

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It is you who is asking for an opinion about something.
So it is up to you to provide a reference to what you are talking about.
 
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The situation is rare. A fraction of people are diagnosed as mentally ill. Fewer make it past a gunshot wound to the head. Those who do better in college afterwards are even rarer. Sure, though, it happens- people can recover from traumatic brain injury from gunshot wounds. There are many factors in detemining the outcome here.
 
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The case appears to be rather old. Though, that doesn't mean it isn't still a remarkable story.

José Ricardo said:
I would like bibliographic references to read about it.

I googled the name of your poster and part of the message and found the posting group [Fatos Desconhecidos = Unknown Facts] on Facebook, where they posted a link to the Brazilian news source. [dated 2013]
I have a web browser that can translate it, so I snagged some keywords, and found an Associated Press article:

Man ‘Cures’ Mental Illness By Shooting Self in Brain
Feb. 23, 1988
Monday’s edition of Physician’s Weekly wryly described the failed suicide attempt as ″successful radical surgery.″
I'm afraid I can't locate the Physician's Weekly article.
But the details in the AP article are probably adequate for most non-medical curiosity seekers.
Fascinating story.

ps. The part about his mom made me kind of upset though. :frown:
 
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It depends on the mental illness and its neural correlate. For example, anxiety disorders might be related to the part of the brain that detects danger being too sensitive. Drugs can inhibit that part of the brain by targeting the associated neurotramsmitter with drugs, however drugs affect all neurotransmitters of that type in the brain, leading to side effects.

A gunshot could, theoretically, simply wipe out a portion of the neural population. Since brains are redundant and have a lot of neurons in a particular population all doing the same thing, removing a portion of the population could reduce strength of a response while not disabling that response completely. Obviously, your chances of doing that with a bullet are pretty low, given all the things that could go wrong.
 
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rootone said:
It is you who is asking for an opinion about something.
So it is up to you to provide a reference to what you are talking about.

Sorry, I forgot to put that. Thanks for letting me know.

Fervent Freyja said:
The situation is rare. A fraction of people are diagnosed as mentally ill. Fewer make it past a gunshot wound to the head. Those who do better in college afterwards are even rarer. Sure, though, it happens- people can recover from traumatic brain injury from gunshot wounds. There are many factors in detemining the outcome here.

But he even recovering himself, his capacity to remember some happening, some part of his memory is affected?

OmCheeto said:
The case appears to be rather old. Though, that doesn't mean it isn't still a remarkable story.

I googled the name of your poster and part of the message and found the posting group [Fatos Desconhecidos = Unknown Facts] on Facebook, where they posted a link to the Brazilian news source. [dated 2013]
I have a web browser that can translate it, so I snagged some keywords, and found an Associated Press article:

Man ‘Cures’ Mental Illness By Shooting Self in Brain
Feb. 23, 1988
Monday’s edition of Physician’s Weekly wryly described the failed suicide attempt as ″successful radical surgery.″
I'm afraid I can't locate the Physician's Weekly article.
But the details in the AP article are probably adequate for most non-medical curiosity seekers.
Fascinating story.

ps. The part about his mom made me kind of upset though. :frown:
At the same time, I found the story cool, sad and awesome. I was upset of the attitude of his mother, his own mother wanted him dead. At least he survived. in a parallel universe, he may have died.

Pythagorean said:
It depends on the mental illness and its neural correlate. For example, anxiety disorders might be related to the part of the brain that detects danger being too sensitive. Drugs can inhibit that part of the brain by targeting the associated neurotramsmitter with drugs, however drugs affect all neurotransmitters of that type in the brain, leading to side effects.

A gunshot could, theoretically, simply wipe out a portion of the neural population. Since brains are redundant and have a lot of neurons in a particular population all doing the same thing, removing a portion of the population could reduce strength of a response while not disabling that response completely. Obviously, your chances of doing that with a bullet are pretty low, given all the things that could go wrong.

Our brain is redundant because there are several cells that do the same thing, right? I never had heard this term. I learn a lot with you (Since I arrived here), folks. Going ahead... Is there how to know how was his brain? Because I'm in doubt about if he, killing his neural cells, can remember his facts of his life. I'm in doubt about it.
 
atyy said:
I'm not sure about this particular case, but if you are interested in therapies that work (sometimes) for mental illness, but which are not well understood, you may like to read about electroconvulsive therapy: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20180502-the-surprising-benefits-of-electroshock-therapy-or-ect.

I'll read it, I won't forget it.

jim mcnamara said:
A tamping iron penetrated this man's skull, destroying the left temporal lobe. He survived, personality changed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage

I'll read it, I won't forget it².
 

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