A silly question regarding general solutions to second order DE's

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The discussion revolves around the equivalence of two forms of solutions to the Time-Independent Schrödinger Wave Equation in one dimension, specifically comparing the complex exponential form and the real trigonometric form. Participants are exploring the implications of using different representations of the wave function.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the two forms of the solution, questioning how coefficients change when transitioning between the complex and real forms. There is also inquiry into the conditions under which one form may be preferred over the other.

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Some participants assert that the two forms are interchangeable, while others express confusion regarding the presence of the imaginary unit in the sine term of the complex form. The conversation is ongoing, with various interpretations being explored without a clear consensus.

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There is mention of boundary conditions and the need for complex constants in the general solution, indicating that specific cases may allow for real coefficients under certain conditions.

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It's been a while since I've had DE, and it seems I have forgotten something basic, yet crucial. In solving the Time-Independent Schrödinger Wave Equation in one dimension, I have the following:

[tex]\left( -\frac{\hbar}{2m} \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}+V\right) \Psi(x)=E\Psi(X)[/tex]

[tex]\frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2}\Psi(x)+K^2\Psi(x)=0[/tex]

where V=0 and

[tex]K^2=\frac{2mE}{\hbar^2}[/tex]

And my question is: are the following solutions equal?

[tex]\Psi(x)=C_1e^{iKx}+C_2e^{-iKx}[/tex]

[tex]\Psi(x)=C_1Cos(Kx)+C_2Sin(Kx)[/tex]

I know that Euler's Formula is [tex]e^{i\theta x}=Cos(\theta x)+iSin(\theta x)[/tex], however inserting this into the first solution above does not result in the second. Thanks!

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There is no difference between those two forms of the solution. But they aren't 'equal'. When you go from one to the other you need to change the values of C1 and C2. For example C1 in the real form is equal to C1+C2 in the complex form, C2 in the real form is i*(C1-C2) in the complex form.
 
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Dick said:
There is no difference between those two forms of the solution. But they aren't 'equal'. When go from one to the other you need to change the values of C1 and C2. For example C1 in the real form is equal to C1+C2 in the complex form.

Well, when solving The Schrödinger equation, how do I know which form to take? Can I just put it in one form or the other and solve for the coefficients?
 
You can use them interchangeably. E.g. 2*exp(iKx)+3*exp(-iKx)=(2+3)*cos(Kx)+i*(2-3)*Sin(Kx) (check that using Euler's formula). They are really just plain equal. Depends on whether you have a preference for where to put the i's.
 
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Dick said:
You can use them interchangeably. E.g. 2*exp(iKx)+3*exp(-iKx)=(2+5)*cos(Kx)+i*(2-3)*Sin(Kx) (check that using Euler's formula). They are really just plain equal. Depends on whether you have a preference for where to put the i's.

Well what you have there makes sense to me, what confuses me is why there isn't an i in front of the sine term in the second solution

[tex]\Psi(x)=C_1e^{iKx}+C_2e^{-iKx}[/tex]

[tex]\Psi(x)=C_1Cos(Kx)+C_2Sin(Kx)[/tex]

Since

[tex]\Psi(x)=C_1e^{iKx}+C_2e^{-iKx}=C_1(Cos(Kx)+iSin(Kx))+C_2(Cos(Kx)-iSin(Kx)) = (C_1+C_2)Cos(Kx)+(C_1-C_2)iSin(Kx)[/tex]

and the "i" is still there! Why?? (I get the part about the coefficients)
 
Because to express a completely general COMPLEX solution to the Schrödinger equation, C1 and C2 need to be COMPLEX constants. In BOTH forms. You can only restrict them to be real (for example) if you have have special boundary conditions and use the freedom to choose an arbitrary phase and normalization for psi.
 

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