A Simple Explanation of Zeta Function Analytic Continuation and Its Results

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The discussion explains the concept of analytic continuation of the Riemann zeta function, clarifying that the sums presented for zeta(0) and zeta(-1) are not valid within their respective domains. It emphasizes that the zeta function is defined by a series that converges only for certain values, and analytic continuation allows for its extension to other complex numbers, yielding results like zeta(0) = -1/2 and zeta(-1) = -1/12. The conversation also touches on the Riemann hypothesis, noting that while it relates to the distribution of prime numbers, it does not directly lead to a simple prime-generating formula. Overall, the thread highlights the complexities of these mathematical concepts and the nuances in their interpretations.
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Can one use ***simple*** words to intuitively explain what does it mean that the (analytic continuation of the) Riemann zeta function yields

zeta(0) = 1+1+1+1+1+... = -1/2 ?
and
zeta(-1) = 1+2+3+4+5+... = -1/12 ?

Thank you!
Francesco
 
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Well, firstly the sums you've written down aren't zeta of 0 or -1

The zeta function has a power series that is valid only for certain inputs.

Every power series has a radius of convergence, right?

Well, in some cases one can extend functions onto other patches so that on the overlap of two patches the functions agree.

For instance

x - x/2 + x/3 - x/4 +...

is the expansion of log(1+x) about x=0, and os only valid for |x|<1

Obviosuly one may extend this to a function, log(1+x) for all x not equal to -1.

The extension to other patches will have different power series expansions inside those patches. The expansion you've used for zeta is not valid in the area in which you're evaluating zeta, you'd have to use a different power series there, ie zeta(0) ISN'T 1+1+1...

I can't really think of anything else to say about it
 
You've presumable seen that \zeta(s)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n^{-s}, valid when the real part of s is greater than 1. If you try to put in something with real part less than 1, this series diverges, I'm sure you've seen the harmonic series, this is just \zeta(1).

Using some analytical trickery (which you may or may not find simple or intuitive), it turns out it's possible to find a function f(s) that is valid for any complex number s (except a "pole" at s=1) and has the property that f(s)=\zeta(s) whenever the real part of s is greater than 1. Since this function f agrees with Zeta where Zeta is defined by it's Dirichlet series (that infinite sum above), we're going to use this f to define Zeta for all complex values. This what's meant by analytic continuation, and it turns out there's only one analytic continuation of Zeta to the entire complex plane.

So, using this f(s) it's possible to any value of Zeta we like, such as \zeta(0)\equiv f(0)=-1/2, \zeta(-1)\equiv f(-1)=-1/12, \zeta(-2)\equiv f(-2)=0 (I'm using \equiv to mean "defined as"). If you were to blindly substitute these s values into the Dirichlet series and ignore matters of convergence, you get the equations you've written.

Don't read much into this. For a simple analogy, consider the function g(x)=x/x. This is undefined at x=0 and the constant 1 everywhere else. Set f(x)=1. In a similar sense to our analytic continutation of Zeta above, f(x) is a continuation of g(x) to the entire real line, so we can now define some reasonable value of g at x=0, namely g(0)\equiv f(0)=1. Same as above, if we ignore the initial defects our formula for g(x) had at 1, we get the equation 0/0=g(0)=1. This is a bit of nonsense of course, if you've taken any calculus you should know the dangers of 0/0.
 
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Thanks a lot and CIAO from Italy!
Francesco
 
riemann h

As far as I can tell Riemann h states that he conjectures that his formula determines the EXACT quantities of primes up to a given whole number .Does this mean that if a proof is found, that a prime generator will be uncovered along with the proof?
 
guitry said:
As far as I can tell Riemann h states that he conjectures that his formula determines the EXACT quantities of primes up to a given whole number .

I think you've got something confused here. The Riemann hypothesis is equivalent to saying the folowing is true for every \epsilon&gt;0:

\pi(x)=Li(x)+O(x^{1/2+\epsilon})

Where Li(x) is the usual logarithmic integral and \pi(x) is the usual prime counting function. Notice the big-O error term, that can keep you a long way off from using this to find the exact number of primes up to a given x.

However it's not clear to me that this is what you mean by "his formula". If you mean Riemann's so-called explicit formula for \pi(x), then this creature already expresses \pi(x) exactly as an infinite sum over the zeros of zeta without any additional assumptions. It's just not an easy thing to work with due to this infinite sum. The more we know about the location of the zeros (such as if the Riemann hypothesis is true) the better capable we are of dealing with this nasty sum that's involved, and we can get a better error term in the prime number theorem (such as the form I've stated above).

guitry said:
Does this mean that if a proof is found, that a prime generator will be uncovered along with the proof?

It will probably take some very deep and high powered (probably currently unknown) tools to solve, so who knows what other consequences will follow? However I doubt it will produce the kind of prime generator you might be looking for.
 
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