A simple question on representations and tensor products

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The discussion revolves around the representation theory of groups, specifically focusing on the tensor product of representations and the properties that these representations must satisfy. Participants explore the definitions and relationships between group homomorphisms and linear transformations in the context of vector spaces.

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  • One participant proposes a formula for the tensor product representation of two representations, questioning whether the resulting expression satisfies the representation property.
  • Another participant challenges the initial claim by stating that representations are functions from the group to the endomorphisms of the vector spaces, suggesting a misunderstanding in the formulation.
  • A later reply clarifies that while the representations are indeed functions, they map group elements to endomorphisms, not directly to elements of the vector spaces.
  • Another participant suggests a different approach to defining the tensor product representation, proposing a specific function that combines the two representations.
  • There is acknowledgment of confusion regarding the definitions and properties of the mappings involved, with participants reflecting on their understanding of the concepts.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of the tensor product representation and the nature of the mappings involved. There is no consensus reached on the initial claims, and confusion persists regarding the definitions of representations.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the relationships between group representations and linear transformations, indicating that assumptions about the mappings may not align with formal definitions.

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I have question, can someone please check whether my answer is correct or not:

1)Let \pi_i be representations of a group G on vector spaces Vi, i = 1, 2. Give a formula for the tensor product representation \pi_1 \otimes \pi_2 on V_1 \otimes V_2

Answer: \pi_1 V_1 \otimes \pi_2 V_2

2)Check that it obeys the representation property.

Answer: A representation is a group homomorphism, ie it satisfies:

\pi(g.h)= \pi(g) . \pi(h)

Now,

<br /> [\pi_1 V_1 \otimes \pi_2 V_2](g.h)<br /> =\pi_1 V_1 (gh) \otimes \pi_2 V_2 (gh)<br />

I am a little stuck here: we know that \pi_i is a representation, can we also say that \pi_i V_i is also a representation? If it is, we can use the homomorphism property and show that

\pi_1 V_1 (gh) \otimes \pi_2 V_2 (gh)=\pi_1 V_1 (g)\pi_1 V_1 (h) \otimes \pi_2 V_2 (g) \pi_2 V_2 (h)=[\pi_1 V_1 \otimes \pi_2 V_2](g)[\pi_1 V_1 \otimes \pi_2 V_2](h)

which I think the question is trying to get at.
 
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If \pi_i are representations, then they are functions G \to V_i, so how are they eating elements of V_i? You have things somewhat backwards here.
 
rochfor1 said:
If \pi_i are representations, then they are functions G \to V_i, so how are they eating elements of V_i? You have things somewhat backwards here.

I think it's because \pi_i \in End (V_i)
 
ah yes, excuse me...fair enough. You still have it a bit backwards though. \pi_i \not \in \operatorname{End}(V_i), \pi_i(g) \in \operatorname{End}(V_i) for all g in G. \pi_i : V \to \operatorname{End}(V_i). Pardon the initial confusion, its been a while since I though about this type of representation.
 
What do you mean by this? Answer: \pi_1 V_1 \otimes \pi_2 V_2

Aren't you supposed to find a function \pi:G\rightarrow\mbox{End}(V_1\otimes V_2) and show that it's a representation? The first idea that occurs to me is

\pi(g)=\pi_1(g)\otimes\pi_2(g)

where the right-hand side is defined by

\pi_1(g)\otimes\pi_2(g)(x_1\otimes x_2)=\pi_1(g)(x_1)\otimes\pi_2(g)(x_2)[/itex]<br /> <br /> I haven&#039;t checked if it satisfies the requirements.<br /> <br /> (I think rochfor1&#039;s last LaTeX expression should be \pi_i : G \to \operatorname{End}(V_i) ).
 
Indeed it should.
 
Hi Fredrik:

Well, I was mindlessly reeling off the following in my notes:

if A \in end(V)

and B \in end (W)

then

A \otimes B \in end(V \otimes W), and this is defined via:

(A \otimes B)(V \otimes W)= (AV) \otimes (AW)

So I just assumed we can let A=\pi_1 and B=\pi_2,

This clearly is silly because it would imply \pi_1: V_1 \rightarrow V_1 and \pi_2: V_2 \rightarrow V_2, where the maps infact should be \pi_1: G \rightarrow V_1 and \pi_2: G \rightarrow V_2 as you point out.

I think you're first idea is correct.

Thanks.
 

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