A sum I wish I never came across

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the convergence of a specific summation involving limits and variables, particularly focusing on the behavior of the sum as certain parameters approach specific values. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of limits in the context of series and convergence.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a limit involving a summation and questions its convergence as parameters approach certain values.
  • Another participant points out that the variable \(\Delta t\) does not seem to affect the expression and asks for clarification.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the oversight regarding \(\Delta t\) and corrects the expression.
  • One participant argues that if the variables \(n\), \(x\), and \(\Delta t\) vary independently, the limit does not exist, suggesting that sequences can be constructed to approach any number.
  • Another participant reiterates their earlier thoughts about the sum diverging to \(+\infty\) as \(x\) approaches \(1^-\), while also noting that for \(x < 1\), the sum converges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the convergence of the sum, with some suggesting it diverges while others propose that it converges under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall behavior of the limit.

Contextual Notes

There are dependencies on the relationships between the variables \(n\), \(x\), and \(\Delta t\) that are not fully explored, which may affect the convergence behavior of the summation.

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I've come across the following summation

lim_{\stackrel{\Delta t \rightarrow 0}{n \rightarrow \infty}}\left(\Delta t \sum_{k=0}^n x^k\right)

moreover, as \Delta t \rightarrow 0, x\rightarrow 1^-

Does the sum converge? to what?

My thoughts...
The sum as n \rightarrow \infty is simply the Mclaren series of (1-x)^{-1}, so as x \rightarrow 1^-, the sum should diverge to + \infty, however, we have the \Delta t in the front that \rightarrow 0, and that's as far as my intellect takes me...
any ideas?
 
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dt doesn't seem to participate in the expression, did you forget it somewhere?
 
elibj123 said:
dt doesn't seem to participate in the expression, did you forget it somewhere?

Yes, I'm so sorry. Its fixed now.
 
You have three variables, n, x, and \Delta t.

If they are all allowed to vary independently, the limit does not exist - you can construct sequences of (n,x,\Delta t) which approach any number you want.

If there are some interrelations between them, that's a different story.
 
Apteronotus said:
My thoughts...
The sum as n \rightarrow \infty is simply the Mclaren series of (1-x)^{-1}, so as x \rightarrow 1^-, the sum should diverge to + \infty, however, we have the \Delta t in the front that \rightarrow 0, and that's as far as my intellect takes me...
any ideas?

if x < 1 it converges.
 

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