How can the LRS model for leptons incorporate the Standard Model group?

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The discussion revolves around the incorporation of the Standard Model group into the Left Right Symmetric (LRS) model for leptons, specifically focusing on the relationship between the gauge groups involved and the linear combination of LRS generators that yields the Standard Model generator Y.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the gauge group for the LRS model is GLR = SU(2)L×SU(2)R×U(1)X and that U(1)Y must be included in this framework, proposing that Y = T3R + X/2 is the required linear combination.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of self-discovery in solving the problem, suggesting that direct answers should not be provided.
  • A participant expresses confusion about the proportionality of the generators, arguing that since Y is proportional to identity, the combination of LRS generators must also reflect this property, leading to a proposed form Y = T3R + kX, where k is a constant.
  • There is a question about the applicability of forum rules regarding providing answers for self-study versus formal coursework, which is met with a reaffirmation of the rules against giving direct answers.
  • One participant draws a parallel between the problem and the electromagnetic charge in Electroweak theory, suggesting that understanding the Standard Model is a prerequisite for tackling the LRS model.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the framework of the LRS model and the need to incorporate the Standard Model group, but there is no consensus on the specific linear combination of generators or the implications of the proportionality of Y. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact formulation and understanding of the relationship between the groups.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct linear combination of generators and the implications of proportionality, indicating that assumptions about the nature of the generators and their relationships may not be fully resolved.

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This is a homework problem in a course in particle physics at Cornell University.
Assume the Left Right Symmetric (LRS) model for leptons. The gauge group is GLR = SU(2)L×SU(2)R×U(1)X. The Standard Model group SU(2)L×U(1)Y has to be included in the LRS group. Namely, U(1)Y ⊂ SU(2)R×U(1)X. Find the linear combination of the LRS generators which gives the Standard Model generator Y.
The answer is: Y = T3R + X/2
How to get this result?
 
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To give away the answer directly would violate Physics Forums rules. What are your own thoughts and what have you been able to conclude so far?
 
Orodruin said:
To give away the answer directly would violate Physics Forums rules. What are your own thoughts and what have you been able to conclude so far?

My thoughts are: Since the SM generator Y is proportional to identity, the required linear combination of the LRS generators must also be proportional to identity. Considering that the generators of SU(2)R are TaR = τa/2, where τa are the Pauli matrices, only the combination of T3R and X is possible to be proportional to identity. Thus, Y = T3R + kX, where k is some constant. Since TaR = τa/2, if we take k = 1/2, we will get Y = τa/2 + X/2 = diag(1+X, -1+X)/2. This is a diagonalized matrix, but not proportional to identity. I am a little puzzled.
By the way, I am not a student at Cornell University, and this course is an old one in 2008. I just downloaded the course materials from the website and study them by myself. In this case, do the Physics Forum rules allow to give away the answer?
 
Shen712 said:
In this case, do the Physics Forum rules allow to give away the answer?
No. We believe that regardless of whether you're doing an exercise as part of a course for credit, or for independent self-study, you're best served by figuring out the answer for yourself, with some help from hints and/or corrections as appropriate.
 
I suppose that since you are looking at models beyond the standard model, you have already looked at the standard model itself... haven't you?
If yes, the problem is pretty much the same as the EM charge in the Electroweak theory: SU_L(2) \times U_Y(1) \rightarrow U_{Q}(1).
 
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