Help with coefficients matrix in spring system

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The problem involves a system of springs and masses, specifically a spring with constant 3k and a mass m, followed by another spring with constant 2k and another mass m. The objective is to find the normal modes and the characteristic system, with some uncertainty about the correct approach to formulating the characteristic equation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the formulation of the potential energy and the challenges of incorporating gravitational effects into the coefficient matrix. There is mention of using Lagrangian mechanics versus conservation of energy, and the suggestion to complete the square for variable transformation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods to approach the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding variable transformation and the handling of linear terms, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants are grappling with the integration of gravitational terms into the coefficient matrix and the implications of time-derivatives in the potential energy formulation. There is also a reference to previous similar homework problems that may inform the current discussion.

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Homework Statement


The system is a spring with constant 3k hanging from a ceiling with a mass m attached to it, then attached to that mass another spring with constant 2k and another mass m attached to that.
So spring -> mass -> spring ->mass.
Find the normal modes and characteristic system. I'm assuming it should be characteristic equation. Maybe not.

Homework Equations


dE/dt = 0

The Attempt at a Solution



So I have ##T = 1/2 m \dot{x}_1^2 + 1/2 m (\dot{x}_1 + \dot{x}_2)^2##
but the real problem at this point is in V
##V = 1/2 (3k)x_1^2 +1/2 (2k)x_2^2 + mg(H - (2x_1 + x_2))##
I'm not sure how to get gravity into a coefficient matrix to solve this differential equation, since they are only dependent on 1 x term each. So x_1^2 goes in 1,1 and x_2^2 goes in 2,2 and x_1x_2/2 goes in both 1,2 and 2,1. I'm not sure what to do with x_1 and x_2 terms, though. Thanks.
 
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I don't think you meant to have time-derivatives in V.

One thing you can do is a change of variables: Complete the square first, e.g., ##ax^2+bx## becomes ##a(x+\frac{b}{2a})^2+\text{constant}##. Then define new coordinates (##u=x+\frac{b}{2a}##) and rewrite the Lagrangian in terms of them
 
Yea I'm not sure why I have the dots there. Typos. So you're suggesting Lagrangian mechanics rather than applying conservation of energy?
 
No, I just guessed you were doing Lagrangian mechanics.
 
We had a similar problem, on a HW and used ##\frac{d}{dt} [\dot{q}^T A \dot{q} + q^T B q ]= 0## with A and B the coefficient matrices that multiply to the equation. I was assuming that this would be a similar project, but the mgx term is giving me problems when I try to put it in said matrices.
 
Did you try what I suggested to get rid of the linear terms?
 
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