"A system tries to minimize total potential energy"

In summary, the conversation discusses the principle of "tendency towards minimum potential energy" and how it applies to bound systems that can irreversibly exchange energy with another system. The example of a harmonic oscillator is used to explain how the total energy of a closed system remains constant over time, despite the changing kinetic and potential energies. It is also mentioned that inanimate systems cannot have preferences or tendencies, and any energy will always move towards the opposite reservoir.
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While reading this thread on Stack Exchange... https://physics.stackexchange.com/q...oes-a-system-try-to-minimize-potential-energy ... a question came to mind : -

Say an object is launched away from Earth at a velocity greater than the escape velocity. This system will not end up with its potential energy less than the initial value. Apparently, therefore, we need to qualify the principle of "tendency towards minimum potential energy" so as to exclude such cases? If so, how would we do that rigorously?
 
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As far as I know it only applies to bound systems that can irreversibly exchange energy with another system
 
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There's energy conservation for a closed system. Usually the kinetic and potential energy both change with time but such that the total energy stays constant. Take the harmonic oscillator as an example:
$$m \ddot{x}=-D x.$$
The general solution is
$$x(t)=x_0 \cos(\omega t -\varphi_0),$$
where the amplitude, ##x_0##, and "phase", ##\varphi_0## are integration constants, and ##\omega=\sqrt{D/m}##.

The kinetic and potential energies are
$$T=\frac{m}{2} \dot{x}^2, \quad V=\frac{D}{2} x^2.$$
As a function of time you get
$$T=\frac{m \omega^2}{2} \sin^2(\omega t -\varphi_0), \quad V=\frac{D}{2} x_0^2 \cos^2(\omega t-\varphi_0).$$
Now ##m \omega^2=D## and thus the total energy
$$E=T+V=\frac{D}{2} x_0^2 [\sin^2(\omega t-\varphi_0) + \cos^2(\omega t-\varphi_0)]=\frac{D}{2} x_0^2=\text{const}.$$
 
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You're anthropomorphizing inanimate systems. They hate it when you do that.

If you have a system with two energy reservoirs, of any kind (potential and kinetic is but one example), and all the energy is in one, the only thing the system can do with the energy is move it to the other. There is nothing more to this than "if you're all the way to the left, the only direction you can move is to the right".

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While reading this thread on Stack Exchange..
Is that's confusing you, maybe you should go elsewhere.
 
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1. What is potential energy?

Potential energy is the energy that a system possesses due to its position or state. It is the energy that is stored in an object or system, and can be converted into other forms of energy such as kinetic energy.

2. How does a system minimize total potential energy?

A system minimizes total potential energy by finding the most stable and lowest energy state. This can be achieved by rearranging the positions of its components or by releasing energy through various processes.

3. Why is minimizing potential energy important in a system?

Minimizing potential energy is important because it allows a system to reach a stable and efficient state. This can lead to increased efficiency and effectiveness in the functioning of the system.

4. What are some examples of systems that try to minimize total potential energy?

Some examples of systems that try to minimize total potential energy include a pendulum, a stretched spring, and a chemical reaction. These systems all have potential energy that can be minimized through various processes.

5. Can a system ever reach a state of zero potential energy?

No, a system cannot reach a state of zero potential energy as it would violate the laws of thermodynamics. However, a system can reach a state of minimum potential energy, which is the most stable and lowest energy state possible.

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