A thought about the Riemann hypothesis

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The discussion revolves around the Riemann Zeta function and its implications for the Riemann hypothesis. Participants explore the properties of the Zeta function, particularly its zeros, and debate the validity of certain mathematical representations and theorems related to the hypothesis.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the Riemann Zeta function and attempts to expand it, expressing uncertainty about which theorem to apply from real analysis.
  • Another participant questions the intent behind the expansion, suggesting it may be aimed at proving the hypothesis.
  • A different viewpoint asserts that if the equation holds for all real numbers, then the hypothesis is true, referencing Rudin's book for relevant theorems.
  • Concerns are raised about the limitations of the formula provided, noting it only applies in a limited range and does not address the complex continuation necessary for the hypothesis.
  • One participant argues against the validity of the initial claim, stating that the hypothesis posits only zeros with a real part of -1/2 and that the proposed formula does not disprove the existence of other zeros.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the infinite series presented may not converge, suggesting the need for an alternative representation of the function in that region.
  • There is a reiteration that the infinite series is the Zeta function, but this is contested by others who point out that the Zeta function is defined through analytic continuation.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the Zeta function being zero at certain points, questioning the conditions under which this would hold true.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the mathematical claims and the implications for the Riemann hypothesis. There is no consensus on the correctness of the proposed expansions or the interpretations of the Zeta function's properties.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on specific mathematical definitions and the unresolved nature of convergence for the proposed series. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic and the need for careful consideration of the conditions under which various claims are made.

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This is the Riemann Zeta function ##Z(s) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^s}##. It equals 0 only at the negative integers on the real axis and numbers of form ##1/2+x i##.

The series can be expanded to this:

$$\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^s} = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^{1/2 + xi}} = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{\sqrt{n}n^{xi}} = 0$$

I'm not sure what theorem (from real analysis) to apply to proceed.

<Moderator's note: please use the proper wrappers, ## ## and $$ $$, for LaTeX.>
 
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To proceed to what? What are you trying to do? To prove the hypothesis!
 
If the equation is satisfied for all ##x\in R## then the hypothesis is true. Rudin's book has useful theorems about infinite series.
 
r731 said:
This is the Riemann Zeta function ##Z(s) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^s}##.
That formula only works in a limited range, and only in places with trivial zeros. It's not helping at all in the interesting region where you need the complex continuation. That makes everything that follows irrelevant.
 
r731 said:
If the equation is satisfied for all ##x\in R## then the hypothesis is true. Rudin's book has useful theorems about infinite series.

I think this is false

1.) The hypothesis is there are only zeroes with real -1/2. All you are doing is computing zeroes with that imaginary part, not disproving the existence of other zeroes

2.) It's not identically zero when the real part is -1/2. Your formula is simply not true for all x.

3.) I don't think the infinite series converges that you have written down, so you have to find another representation of the function in that region to do any math anyway.
 
##s=1/2 + xi## represent the complex numbers with real part 1/2. The infinite series is the zeta function. It should output zero when the real part is 1/2 (for all imaginary parts).

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3.) I don't think the infinite series converges that you have written down, so you have to find another representation of the function in that region to do any math anyway.

The infinite series is the zeta function.
 
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The infinite series is the zeta function.
No, it's not, as has already been pointed out to you. The Riemann zeta function is the analytic continuation of that series.
 
r731 said:
##s=1/2 + xi## represent the complex numbers with real part 1/2. The infinite series is the zeta function. It should output zero when the real part is 1/2 (for all imaginary parts).
It this were true, the it would be identically zero.
 

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