Abelian groups from the definition of a field

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The discussion revolves around the properties of fields, particularly focusing on the closure of multiplication in the context of finite fields and the implications of the field axioms. Participants explore definitions, counterexamples, and the structure of finite fields, including their orders and the existence of zero divisors.

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  • One participant questions the assertion that F\{0} is a commutative group under multiplication, citing Z/6Z as a counterexample due to the presence of zero divisors.
  • Another participant clarifies that Z/6Z is not a field, emphasizing that finite fields must have orders that are prime numbers.
  • It is noted that for a field, the closure of F\{0} under multiplication follows from the existence of multiplicative inverses for non-zero elements.
  • Participants discuss the conditions under which Z/nZ can be a field, specifically that n must be prime to avoid zero divisors.
  • There is mention of the impossibility of isomorphisms between finite fields of order 9 and Z/9Z, leading to further exploration of finite fields and their structures.
  • One participant introduces the concept of GF(3^2) as an example of a finite field of order 9, suggesting that all finite fields of this order are isomorphic.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the notation and definitions used in discussing finite fields and their properties.

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Participants generally agree on the necessity of prime orders for finite fields and the implications of zero divisors. However, there remains some contention regarding specific examples and the existence of certain finite fields, particularly in relation to Z/9Z.

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Limitations include the potential misunderstanding of field definitions and properties, as well as the nuances in the notation used for finite fields and their representations.

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Just a pregrad-level curiosity:

I see often repeated (in the Wikipedia page defining "Field", for one) that, from the field's axioms, it can be deduced that F,+ and F\{0},* are both commutative groups.

Yet, the closure property of * is only guaranteed on F, not necessarily on F\{0}. If I'm not mistaken, the finite field Z/6Z is a counter-example: 2*3=0 (mod 6), so {1,2,3,4,5} cannot be a group under multiplication. Is that correct?
 
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Dodo said:
the finite field Z/6Z
Z/6Z isn't a field...
 
Hm, I think the trick here is that Z/6Z (assuming I understand your terminology... I think I would call this [tex]Z_6[/tex]) is not a finite field. The only finite fields of this type are of order p, where p is a prime number. When p is prime the multiplicative group will always be closed under multiplication.

If you think about it, it would not make sense anyway for [tex]Z_6[/tex] to be a field. For example, if [tex]Z_6[/tex] is a field, then 2 would have to have a multiplicative inverse [tex]2^{-1}[/tex]. But what do we get when we multiply [tex]2^{-1}[/tex], whatever it is, by 0? We get... 0, not 3 as we should. I think there are other violations of the field axioms as well. [tex]Z_6[/tex] is only an additive group.
 
so as you observe, it must be a theorem that in a field, F-{0} is closed for *. i recall that as one of the first lemmas proved in abstract algebra. i believe it uses the fact that every non zero element has an inverse, and the definition of a unit for multiplication, plus the distributive property of multiplication. ohh, and the fact that 0 and 1 are different elements.
 
Thanks for all your answers; that the order of a finite field has to have some restrictions (being a prime is one) makes now more sense.

I suppose the only think needed to show the closure of F\{0} under * is that, given two elements a,b of F, both non-zero, a*b cannot be zero. If a*b=0, since b is non-zero and therefore has an inverse b', then multiplying by b', a*b*b' = 0, and a=0, which contradicts the initial statement.
 
Dodo said:
Thanks for all your answers; that the order of a finite field has to have some restrictions (being a prime is one) makes now more sense.
I want to point out that the order of a finite field can be a power of a prime. However, Z/nZ is a field iff n is a prime. If p is a prime divisor of n but n/p isn't 1, then p*(n/p)=0 (mod n), i.e. Z/nZ admits a zero divisor. So Z/nZ can be a field only if n is a prime. The converse follows from the fact that nZ is a maximal ideal in Z when n is a prime (it's trivially a prime ideal and hence a maximal ideal because Z is a PID).
 
It is a curious asymmetry; then there cannot be any isomorphism from a finite field F of order 9 to Z/9Z; if a is an element of F such that f(a)=3, a*a would be the 0 element of F. I'll try to look up examples of such finite field.
 
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Dodo said:
It is a curious asymmetry; then there cannot be any isomorphism from a finite field F of order 9 to Z/9Z; if a is an element of F such that f(a)=3, a*a would be the 0 element of F. I'll try to look up examples of such finite field.

Well, 9 is not a prime therefore a finite field of order 9 does not exist.
 
JasonRox said:
Well, 9 is not a prime therefore a finite field of order 9 does not exist.
Except, of course, y'know, that one that does exist. :-p

Dodo said:
It is a curious asymmetry; then there cannot be any isomorphism from a finite field F of order 9 to Z/9Z; if a is an element of F such that f(a)=3, a*a would be the 0 element of F. I'll try to look up examples of such finite field.
[tex] GF(3^2) \cong \mathbf{Z}[x] / \langle 3, x^2 + 1 \rangle[/tex]
 
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[itex]\langle 3, x^2 + 1 \rangle[/itex] is the ideal generated by 3 and x² + 1. So, the example you linked is a ring of reduced representatives for the one I posted.

(In fact, it turns out that all finite fields of order 9 are isomorphic)
 
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Yeah, when I said "The only finite fields of this type are of order p, where p is a prime number.", by "of this type" I meant the [tex]Z_n[/tex] fields, the ones obtained by applying a modulus to the integers. Sorry if I was unclear!
 
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Hurkyl said:
Except, of course, y'know, that one that does exist. :-p


[tex] GF(3^2) \cong \mathbf{Z}[x] / \langle 3, x^2 + 1 \rangle[/tex]

Thanks for pointing that out. o:)
 

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