Ability to influence quantum probability

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of influencing quantum probability, particularly in the context of a fictional narrative. Participants explore the implications of such abilities, including potential effects on objects and living beings, while considering the boundaries of scientific plausibility and reader acceptance in science fiction.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Meta-discussion

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about existing sci-fi literature that explores the ability to control quantum probability, suggesting it could mimic telekinesis.
  • Another participant argues that quantum effects are typically imperceptible at macroscopic scales, using sunglasses as an example to illustrate how quantum probability might not be noticeable in everyday objects.
  • A different participant questions whether influencing the quantum probability of larger objects, like dogs or marbles, could lead to observable telekinetic effects.
  • One participant emphasizes that while telekinesis is a common trope in sci-fi, grounding it in quantum mechanics requires careful consideration to maintain reader belief.
  • A later reply mentions a controversial claim about altering the half-life of radioactive isotopes, suggesting that influencing quantum probability is conceivable at small scales.
  • Another participant raises concerns about the potential for physical deformation or mutation of objects if quantum probabilities are influenced, questioning the implications for macroscopic systems.
  • One participant references a historical letter from Einstein discussing the limitations of quantum mechanics in relation to macroscopic systems, suggesting that such considerations are crucial for the narrative.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the feasibility and implications of influencing quantum probability. Some acknowledge the imaginative potential of the concept, while others highlight the scientific challenges and the need for a coherent mechanism to make it believable in a narrative context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in understanding how quantum probability influences macroscopic objects, including unresolved questions about the effects on molecular structures and the role of spacetime in such scenarios.

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I'm writing a short story about the hero having the ability to control quantum probability.

First. Is there any sci-fi novel that explores the ability to control it? Can it imitate telekinesis for example the person focusing on "left" direction whereby the wave function probability would skew to the "left"? I guess one can control flame this way by influencing the wave function?

This assumes no quantum interpretation or agnostic about it but just influencing the quantum probability for simplicity.

If you influence your dog body probability to "left". Would the dog simply move to the left or would his cells and organs fail or got mixed up? How about if you do this to objects like a baseball.

Just give me examples all sorts of ways objects can behave when its quantum probability is influenced.
 
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It's hard because quantum effects things on such a small scale, that people can't notice.

For example, sunglasses let 50% of the light through. But it is random which 50% of the photons get blocked and 50% which get through. If you skewed the probability so that a different 50% would get through, the wearer of the sunglasses still couldn't tell the difference. If you skewed it so that only 10% got through, the glasses would get darker. But the wearer still says, "I have some light sunglasses, and some dark ones. Ho hum."

But a dog or a roulette wheel are much too big for quantum effects. I think most SF readers know that.
 
anorlunda said:
It's hard because quantum effects things on such a small scale, that people can't notice.

For example, sunglasses let 50% of the light through. But it is random which 50% of the photons get blocked and 50% which get through. If you skewed the probability so that a different 50% would get through, the wearer of the sunglasses still couldn't tell the difference. If you skewed it so that only 10% got through, the glasses would get darker. But the wearer still says, "I have some light sunglasses, and some dark ones. Ho hum."

But a dog or a roulette wheel are much too big for quantum effects. I think most SF readers know that.

I mean influencing the entire quantum probability of the dog as a whole or marbles.. can't you cause the marbles to move (telekinesis) by skewing all of its position observables to the left?
 
Well, this is the SF and Fantasy forum, so you can do anything you can imagine including telekinesis. It's more a question of getting readers to buy into the idea.
 
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@cube137 Note that what you have asked is impossible, so it cannot be answered seriously. You have to invent a sort of mechanism that allows you to do that. But then, the physics as we not it doesn't apply anymore!
 
If you ask reader's to believe telekinesis, that's one thing. If you say that it is quantum, they have to believe two things. Make it easy for your readers.
 
For isolated systems. I know what it's like to influence the quantum probability. For example in China, the scientists where able to measure that the half-life of radioactive isotope 241 Americium could be altered by "special subjects" producing 12% difference.

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Ok. Let's treat it as china science fiction or sloppiness which we can take as science fiction.

The point of the above is I have no problem understanding what it would be like to influence the probability of small quantum objects.

What I'd like to understand in principle is what would happen if the sci-fi subject can influence the position observable probability of a piece of marble. Can the subject deform it or can you make it move? Or other effects?

This is just one of the few details I'll include in my 300 page sci-fi books, don't worry. Of course the rest would be action but at least just need to mention it just to fill up the pages. Writers need ideas to fill up hundreds of pages. I already included romance, action, politics.. so it's reasonable to include some theoretical discussions.
 
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Ah.. influencing the position observable probability in your hands can only raise it? My concern is what if it can deform it such that there is no proportional changes in all atoms or molecules meaning it can mutate the molecules and in the case of the marble, break it?

Let's say the influence is proportional. So if one can make the position observable jump 1 meter, then the marble would teleport 1 meter? But 1 meter distance is not within the normal wave function or probability clouds of molecular system. This is why I wonder if spacetime needs to be involved. Or can one extend the molecular probability cloud by 1 meter?

Remember in a letter dated 1954, Albert Einstein wrote to Max Born “Let ψ1 and ψ2 be solutions of the same Schrödinger equation.. ... When the system is a macrosystem and when ψ1 and ψ2 are ‘narrow’ with respect to the macrocoordinates, then in by far the greater number of cases this is no longer true for ψ = ψ1 + ψ2. Narrowness with respect to macrocoordinates is not only independent of the principles of quantum mechanics, but, moreover, incompatible with them.”
 

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