About dark matter and the limits of the universe.

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the universe, specifically its finiteness, the possibility of it being a surface of a higher-dimensional object, and the implications of its accelerating expansion on travel across the universe. The conversation touches on concepts from cosmology and theoretical physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the universe is finite and propose that it could be the surface of a higher-dimensional object.
  • Others suggest that if the universe is finite and closed, the accelerating expansion would prevent anything from traveling back to the same point.
  • There is a proposal that the effects attributed to dark matter might instead be due to higher-dimensional phenomena that have not yet been calculated.
  • One participant raises the idea that if the universe is indeed a higher-dimensional surface, one might eventually return to the same point, but this is complicated by the expansion and the need to exceed the speed of light.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the universe and the implications of its expansion. There is no consensus on whether the universe is finite or how higher-dimensional theories might apply.

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Some assumptions about the nature of the universe and higher-dimensional theories remain unexamined, and the discussion includes unresolved questions regarding the relationship between dark matter, dark energy, and the universe's expansion.

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1. Is the universe finite?

2. Could it be just the surface of a higher dimensional object?

3. If something travels across the universe will it reach the same point?

4. Could the effects of the accelerating universe, that scientist credit dark matter to, be just a side effect of some higher-dimensional twist that we weren't able to calculate yet?
 
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This should be in the Cosmology forum; but, here goes.

1) Unknown.

2) It could be (this usually goes under the name of "brane theories"); but, there's no evidence to point one way or the other on this.

3) No. Even if the universe is finite and closed, the accelerating expansion will prevent anything from making it all the way around.

4) I think you mean "that scientists accredit to dark energy." And, again, that might be possible; but, nothing we know necessarily points to it.
 
But if the universe is the surface of a higher dimensional space would not you end up in the some point?
 
WindScars said:
But if the universe is the surface of a higher dimensional space would not you end up in the some point?
The surface is expanding (at an accelerating rate) and you'd have to go faster than light (which is impossible) to complete a circuit.
 

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