About normalization of periodic wave function

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The discussion revolves around the normalization of wave functions in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of periodic potentials and the implications for particles in such systems. Participants explore the challenges of normalizing wave functions that are periodic and how this relates to momentum space representations.

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  • One participant questions how to normalize a periodic wave function, suggesting that the normalization might be computed over one period instead of the entire real line.
  • Another participant argues that if the integral over the entire space does not exist, the wave function does not describe a physical state and thus does not require normalization in that context.
  • A later reply raises a question about the physical possibility of having a periodic wave in k space and how to normalize such a wave, expressing confusion about the implications of Gaussian distributions in reciprocal lattice sites.
  • Some participants clarify that the discussion may be more about particles in periodic potentials, referencing Bloch states and their normalization within individual unit cells.
  • There is a question about whether Bloch states can be considered actual wave functions, given their normalization depends on the choice of unit cell.

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Participants express differing views on the normalization of periodic wave functions and the nature of Bloch states. There is no consensus on how to approach the normalization in these contexts, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants note limitations regarding the definitions of wave functions and the conditions under which they can be normalized. The discussion highlights dependencies on the choice of unit cells and the implications of periodicity in both position and momentum spaces.

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Hi all,
I am reading something on wave function in quantum mechanics. I am thinking a situation if we have particles distributed over a periodic potential such that the wave function is periodic as well. For example, it could be a superposition of a series of equal-amplitude plane waves with different wave number (some positive and some negative) so to give a form of ##f(x+2\pi)=f(x)##. In this case, I wonder how do we normalize the wave function. I try the following but it almost give something close to zero because the integral gives something very large

##
f [\int_{-\infty}^{+\infty}|f|^2dx]^{-1}
##

But since it is periodic, do you think I should normalize the wave function with the normalization factor computed in one period as follows:

##
\int_{-\pi}^{+\pi}|f|^2dx
##
 
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That's very simple to answer. Since ##\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x |f(x)|^2## doesn't exist in this case, it is not a wave function that describes a physical state, and thus you never ever need to consider it let alone normalize it.

If you have in mind the momentum eigenstates, you should realize that these are not wave functions but generalized functions which allow you transform from the position representation to momentum representation and vice versa. Here you normalize them "to a ##\delta## distribution". The momentum eigenstates are given by the equation
$$\hat{p} u_p(x)=-\mathrm{i} \partial_x u_p(x)=p u_p(x) \; \Rightarrow\; u_p(x)=N_p \exp(\mathrm{i} x p).$$
To "normalize" these functions conveniently you use
$$\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x u_{p}^*(x) u_{p'}(x)=N_p^* N_{p'} \int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} x \exp[\mathrm{i} x(p-p')=2 \pi \delta(p-p') |N_p|^2 \stackrel{!}{=} \delta(p-p') \;\Rightarrow \; N_p=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}},$$
up to an irrelevant phase factor. So for convenience one uses
$$u_p(x)=\frac{1}{\sqrt{2 \pi}} \exp(\mathrm{i} p x).$$
Then the momentum-space wave function is given by the Fourier transformation of the position-space wave function, i.e.,
$$\tilde{\psi}(p)=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d} u_p^*(x) \psi(x),$$
which is inverted by
$$\psi(x)=\int_{\mathbb{R}} \mathrm{d}p u_p(x) \tilde{\psi}(p).$$
 
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Thanks for your reply. I am still reading your reply but I am still confusing on some parts. Since you mention the momentum space, I wonder if the following is physically possible or not. Taking crystal as example, in the text they always start the discussion with periodic lattice in position space so the k space is also periodic. So if k space is periodic, is it possible to input some wave in some form onto the crystal such that the wave in k space is periodic. If that's possible, how do we normalize the wave in k space? It is confusing me. I am always thinking a picture that in k space, we may see a Gaussian in every single recipical lattice site but such Gaussian is repeating from and to infinity so they don't add up to a finite value. In your example, you consider the delta function and derive the normalization factor, but that's still for plane wave. What I am thinking is something periodic in k space but not a plane wave.
 
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. It's not about periodic wave functions but particles in a periodic potential as models of crystals. This is a bit more complicated. So have a look in some solid-state physics book (like Ashcroft&Mermin) on Bloch states.
 
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vanhees71 said:
Sorry, I misunderstood your question. It's not about periodic wave functions but particles in a periodic potential as models of crystals. This is a bit more complicated. So have a look in some solid-state physics book (like Ashcroft&Mermin) on Bloch states.
So are Bloch states actual wavefunctions ? because after all they can only be normalized in an individual unit cell, which means that depending on the unit cell you choose the electron will always be in there.
 

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