About polarization and polarizer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of polarization in optics, specifically focusing on linear and circular polarization, their characteristics, and experimental methods to analyze them. Participants explore theoretical aspects, definitions, and practical implications of polarization.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about linear polarization and the role of a linear polarizer, suggesting that unpolarized light has components in all directions, which could project along the transmission direction of the polarizer.
  • Another participant confirms that linear polarized light can be described as having electric field components oriented in a specific direction that do not change over time, and notes that 180-degree phase differences can also result in linear polarization.
  • There is a discussion about circular polarization, with one participant questioning whether the description of two components of the electric field moving at different speeds is accurate, while another clarifies that the differential speed creates a phase lag but both components travel at the same speed after passing through a quarter-wave plate.
  • Participants discuss the effect of reflection on circularly polarized light, with one suggesting that the direction of circular polarization may reverse upon reflection, while another emphasizes the importance of consistent definitions regarding clockwise and counterclockwise polarization.
  • One participant raises a question about an experimental method to check for circular polarization using a quarter-wave plate and beam splitter, noting that passing circularly polarized light through a quarter-wave plate results in linear polarization, which can be analyzed with a linear polarizer.
  • Another participant mentions checking a textbook to confirm the behavior of reflection coefficients for TE and TM components, indicating ongoing uncertainty about the classification of these components during normal incidence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the concepts of polarization, with some confirming each other's points while others raise questions or express confusion. The discussion remains unresolved on several aspects, particularly regarding the implications of reflection on circular polarization and the experimental verification methods.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and the complexity of the concepts discussed, particularly regarding phase relationships and the behavior of light upon reflection. There is also mention of potential confusion surrounding the definitions of TE and TM components.

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Hi all,
To me, polarization is the most confusing concepts in optics to me. From the text, it is said that polarization is how the light oriented. A linear polarization means the light is oriented on one direction. But I have few doubts I learn from the book and online materials

1) In most book and some youtube material, it is said that a linear polarizer is used so an unpolarized light only have one orientation of the light can pass through. My understanding is an unpolarized light has components of all direction. Even some components is not along the transmission direction of the polarizer, but those components could have some projection along the transmission direction. So basically, all components oriented at any direction could pass the liinear polarizer but some direction will all go through some will just a bit, depends on the projection. Is that correct?

2) In wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_polarization), it explains the linear polarization as linear-polarized along a plane consisting of two orthogonal, in-phase components. My first question is why there will be two components of the electric field? I know electric field component is a vector so it could decomposed into any two components, is this the reasoning why there are two components? If so, can I say linear polarized light is the electic field oriented a specific direction which doesn't not change in time so the decomposed two components are always in-phase?

3) I read a video in youtube about circular polarization. The guy explain that a circular polarization means two components of the electric fields are not moving at the same speed, one is lag by 1/4 wavelength than the other, so the tip of the synthesized electric field vector is along a helix. If we view from the direction of propagation, we see a circle. Am I understand this correctly?

4) I remember I read it somewhere about circular polarized light reflected by a mirror, will the direction of circular polarization opposite if we use a mirror to reflect the light in circular polarization? For example, if we have a clockwise circular polarized light inject into a mirror making 30 degree to the light, will the reflected light becomes counterclockwise circular polarized? why?

5) the last question is about how to check the circular polarization in experiment. I read this online, someone use a quarter-wave plate and a beam splitter cube. Passing the circular polarized light to the quarter-wave plate and left the outgoing light through the beam splitter, the component perpendicular to the direction of propagation should be zero if the incoming light is circular polarized, why is that?

Sorry for the long question. I am trying to collect as much information as I can to understand the light polarization, I just want to confirm with someone here that my understanding is correct or not.
 
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1) Yes that's correct.
KFC said:
can I say linear polarized light is the electic field oriented a specific direction which doesn't not change in time so the decomposed two components are always in-phase?
2) That's why it's called linear polarization. In general, 180 degree phase difference also amounts to linear polarization.
KFC said:
The guy explain that a circular polarization means two components of the electric fields are not moving at the same speed,
3) Probably you have misunderstood what you have heard from that source. As long as there is no birefringence in the medium through which the light propagates, both the x and y components travel with the same speed. One component only lag from the other. If you imagine you can see the tip of the vector, yes it should look like a circle.
4) If you are being consistent in defining what you call CW or CCW (i.e. if you see the incoming wave by facing it head on then you should also see the reflected one by facing it head on), both the incoming and and reflected waves should have identical polarization state. Note that reflection in general might change the state of polarization as Fresnel formulae for reflectance tell us that the reflection coefficients for the TE and TM components generally differ.
5) Would be better if you provide the link.
 
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KFC said:
3) I read a video in youtube about circular polarization.
I guess this one?



KFC said:
The guy explain that a circular polarization means two components of the electric fields are not moving at the same speed, one is lag by 1/4 wavelength than the other,
Differential speed is only used to create the lag. After passing the quarter-wave plate the components have the same speed again, but retain the λ/4 phase shift.
 
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4) I remember I read it somewhere about circular polarized light reflected by a mirror, will the direction of circular polarization opposite if we use a mirror to reflect the light in circular polarization? For example, if we have a clockwise circular polarized light inject into a mirror making 30 degree to the light, will the reflected light becomes counterclockwise circular polarized? why?
The clockness is defined wrt to the propagation direction, which swaps during reflection.

KFC said:
5) the last question is about how to check the circular polarization in experiment. I read this online, someone use a quarter-wave plate and a beam splitter cube. Passing the circular polarized light to the quarter-wave plate and left the outgoing light through the beam splitter, the component perpendicular to the direction of propagation should be zero if the incoming light is circular polarized, why is that?
Passing circularly polarized light through a quarter-wave plate will make it linearly polarized, which can be identified with a linear polarizer at different angles.
 
A.T. said:
The clockness is defined wrt to the propagation direction, which swaps during reflection.
Upon checking in my textbook, that seems to be true and the reason is that because the reflection coefficients for the TE and TM have opposite sign. This actually have been puzzling me for a while because for normal incidence how could we tell which component should be TE or TM?
 

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