What Are the Potential and Kinetic Energies of a Swinging Wrecking Ball?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential and kinetic energies of a wrecking ball, along with its speed as it swings from a crane. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation and trigonometry related to the geometry of the swing.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the potential energy using the height derived from the angle of the swing and the length of the cable. They express confusion regarding the relationship between potential energy, kinetic energy, and the speed of the wrecking ball.
  • Some participants question the assumptions made about the distances involved, particularly the vertical height relevant for potential energy calculations.
  • Others suggest that a diagram may clarify the relationships between the angles and distances, emphasizing the importance of vertical height in potential energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different interpretations of the problem, particularly regarding the correct application of trigonometric functions to find the vertical height. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance has been offered regarding the need to focus on the vertical distance for potential energy calculations.

Contextual Notes

The original poster expresses uncertainty about their calculations and the relationships between the energies and speed, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the physical principles involved. There is also mention of textbook answers that differ from the poster's calculations.

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Homework Statement


a wrecking ball, with a mass of 315kg, hangs from a crane on 10.0m of cable. if the crane swings the wrecking ball so that the angle that the cable makes with the vertical is 30', what is the potential energy of the wrecking ball in relation to its lowest position?
What will be the kinetic energy of the wrecking ball when it falls back to the vertical position?
What will be the speed of the wrecking ball?

Homework Equations


i think i will need to find the distance between the ball and the wall sin30'(10m)
Ek = 1/2mv^2
Eg = mgh

the two questions before i am having a hard time with cause i believe i need the final velocity before hitting wall (the speed in this case) before i can solve the others.
but i could be totally wrong (wuldnt be the first time, ;)

The Attempt at a Solution


sin30'(10) = 5m (this is the distance from the ball to the wall.
after that i do: Ek' + Eg' = Ek + Eg
and i am lost because i know there is something i am not doing but don't know what.

Ek' + Eg' = Ek + Eg
1/2mv^2 + mgh = 1/2mv^2 + mgh (mass canceled)
1/2v^2 + (-9.81)(5) = 1/2(0) + 9.81(0) (1/2 canceled)
v^2 = 49.1
v = 7m/s
this is the speed of the wrecking ball that i get.

the answers in my textbook are:
- Eg = 4140 J
- Ek = 4140 J (these two make sense because the two equal one another always
- V = 5.12m/s
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any help is always appreciated
 
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sin30'(10) = 5m (this is the distance from the ball to the wall.

Make a drawing and be a little more careful. That is the horizontal distance. But it is not the vertical distance the ball is above the point of impact. It's the vertical distance that determines the m*g*h
 
i had tried cos 30'(10) = 8.6m
but i figured since the actual movement was the horizontal distance you would assume it to be the height (like a horizontal fall)?

and with that i just end up getting 9.2m/s for my speed. still wrong
 
jaron said:
i had tried cos 30'(10) = 8.6m
but i figured since the actual movement was the horizontal distance you would assume it to be the height (like a horizontal fall)?

and with that i just end up getting 9.2m/s for my speed. still wrong

If you drew the picture you would see that L*cosθ is the length from the top. But potential energy is how high the bottom of L it is, so what you are interested in is L*(1 - cosθ)
 

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