About spin precession in a magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spin precession in a magnetic field, specifically when the magnetic field is oriented in the y-direction instead of the z-direction. Participants explore the implications of this configuration on the energy eigenvalues derived from the Hamiltonian, addressing the occurrence of complex eigenvalues and their interpretations.

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  • One participant presents a Hamiltonian for the spin precession in a magnetic field along the y-axis and calculates the eigenvalues, which turn out to be complex.
  • Another participant suggests that an algebra mistake may have occurred in the calculation of the determinant, hinting at the importance of hermitian Hamiltonians yielding real eigenvalues.
  • A participant acknowledges a potential error in their calculations and discusses the proof regarding hermitian operators and real eigenvalues.
  • Discussion arises about the interpretation of complex energies in non-hermitian Hamiltonians, where the real part is associated with energy and the imaginary part with decay rates.
  • Participants elaborate on the mathematical framework for unstable states and the implications of complex eigenvalues in quantum mechanics.

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There is no consensus on the initial calculations regarding the eigenvalues, as one participant believes there is an algebra mistake while another is exploring the implications of complex energies. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct interpretation and implications of the findings.

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Participants express uncertainty about the definitions and implications of complex eigenvalues, particularly in the context of hermitian versus non-hermitian Hamiltonians. The discussion highlights the need for clarity on the mathematical steps involved in deriving the eigenvalues.

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So I was trying to see what the result for the spin precession would be if the magnetic field pointed in the y-direction instead of z. I feel like either something with what I'm doing is wrong or, I'm just overlooking something because I keep getting complex energy eigenvalues. So what I'm doing is:
Initially, we need to find the Hamiltonian which is just
$$H=-\gamma (B \cdot S)=-\gamma B_0S_y=\frac{-\gamma B_0 \hbar}{2}
\begin{pmatrix}
0 & -i \\
i & 0
\end{pmatrix}
$$

Then I proceed to find the eigenvalues, taking the determinant of this matrix and setting it equal to zero

$$
\begin{pmatrix}
-E & \frac{i \gamma B_0 \hbar}{2} \\
\frac{-i \gamma B_0 \hbar}{2} & -E
\end{pmatrix} \Rightarrow E^2+\left(\frac{\gamma B_0 \hbar}{2}\right)^2=0 \Leftrightarrow E=\pm\frac{i\gamma B_0 \hbar}{2}
$$
which is complex, but what's the meaning of complex energies? And if this isn't wrong why won't the spin precess (because once you apply time evolution you won't have an exponential with an imaginary exponent you'll have an ##e^{- t}##
 
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It looks like you simply made an algebra mistake in your second equation. Perhaps you are forgetting the minus signs which occur in the definition of the determinant?

As an aside, sometimes people consider non-hermitian Hamiltonians in order to effectively describe unstable particles (there is time dependence like e^{-t/T}). But if your Hamiltonian is hermitian like in this case, your eigenvalues are always real (there is an exact proof of this which I recommend you review, it should be in most quantum mechanics textbooks).
 
king vitamin said:
It looks like you simply made an algebra mistake in your second equation. Perhaps you are forgetting the minus signs which occur in the definition of the determinant?
As an aside, sometimes people consider non-hermitian Hamiltonians in order to effectively describe unstable particles (there is time dependence like e^{-t/T}). But if your Hamiltonian is hermitian like in this case, your eigenvalues are always real (there is an exact proof of this which I recommend you review, it should be in most quantum mechanics textbooks).

Oh god, you're right thanks, this is embarassing... I got caught up in all of the minus' that are there and I went with it because of the i's in the ##\sigma_y## matrix. As for the proof I can think of one off the top of my head, which uses the commutativity of a hermitian operator (when doing an inner product) and therefore the eigenvalue must be equal to it's complex conjugate, which implies it's real. Although I'm unsure as to whether or not it's the proof you are referring to.
As for the thing about unstable particles, how can a particle have complex energy? Is it just the case that because it is non-hermitian the actual energies we measure are real?
 
When people use non-Hermitian Hamiltonians with complex eigenvalues, the usual interpretation is that the real part of the eigenvalue is the energy while the complex part is half of the decay rate of that eigenstate. For example, if you have two complex eigenvalues
<br /> E_1 - i \Gamma_1/2, \qquad E_2 - i \Gamma_2/2,<br />
and you prepare an initial state as a superposition of the two eigenstates
<br /> |\psi(t=0)\rangle = a |E_1,\Gamma_1 \rangle + b |E_2,\Gamma_2 \rangle<br />
then at a later time, we have
<br /> |\psi(t)\rangle = a e^{-i E_1 t} e^{- \Gamma_1 t/2} |E_1,\Gamma_1 \rangle + b e^{-i E_2 t} e^{- \Gamma_2 t/2} |E_2,\Gamma_2 \rangle<br />
The factor of 1/2 is because the probability of the state is given by the magnitude squared, so if you start in an eigenstate it will decay exponentially with a mean time given by \Gamma_{1,2}.

This is largely just a mathematical trick used to describe unstable states, but it can be useful sometimes. Whenever you are describing a complete system your Hamiltonian must always have only real eigenvalues.
 
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king vitamin said:
When people use non-Hermitian Hamiltonians with complex eigenvalues, the usual interpretation is that the real part of the eigenvalue is the energy while the complex part is half of the decay rate of that eigenstate. For example, if you have two complex eigenvalues
<br /> E_1 - i \Gamma_1/2, \qquad E_2 - i \Gamma_2/2,<br />
and you prepare an initial state as a superposition of the two eigenstates
<br /> |\psi(t=0)\rangle = a |E_1,\Gamma_1 \rangle + b |E_2,\Gamma_2 \rangle<br />
then at a later time, we have
<br /> |\psi(t)\rangle = a e^{-i E_1 t} e^{- \Gamma_1 t/2} |E_1,\Gamma_1 \rangle + b e^{-i E_2 t} e^{- \Gamma_2 t/2} |E_2,\Gamma_2 \rangle<br />
The factor of 1/2 is because the probability of the state is given by the magnitude squared, so if you start in an eigenstate it will decay exponentially with a mean time given by \Gamma_{1,2}.

This is largely just a mathematical trick used to describe unstable states, but it can be useful sometimes. Whenever you are describing a complete system your Hamiltonian must always have only real eigenvalues.

Oh ok, that makes sense. It's actually really cool haha. Thanks :)
 

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