About the spin-orbit coupling in atoms

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The discussion revolves around the concept of spin-orbit coupling in atoms, specifically in the context of the hydrogen atom as presented in Woodgate's "Elementary Atomic Structure." Participants are examining the mathematical treatment of the spin-orbit coupling and the assumptions made during the calculation of energy shifts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the validity of the equality = used in the calculation, expressing concern over its implications for simplifying the calculation.
  • Another participant clarifies that the author is not applying that equality but is instead substituting for f(r).
  • A later reply acknowledges that the author makes approximations and notes that f(r) is invariant under arbitrary rotations, which preserves angular momentum and spin.
  • It is mentioned that the author drops the coupling between different n's and only considers the diagonal term in the analysis.
  • Reference to the Wigner-Eckart theorem is made to support the discussion on the invariance of f(r).
  • A suggestion is made to consult Condon and Shortley's work for further insights on the topic.

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Participants exhibit some disagreement regarding the interpretation of the mathematical steps in the calculation, with differing views on the assumptions made. The discussion remains unresolved as participants clarify and refine their understanding of the concepts involved.

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There are limitations regarding the assumptions made in the derivation, particularly concerning the treatment of the function f(r) and its implications for the coupling between different quantum states. The discussion does not resolve these mathematical steps.

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i am now reading the book by woodgate: elementary atomic strucure, 2nd edition.

on page 62, he discusses the spin-orbit coupling in hydrogen atom, and calculates the first order shift of the energy due to this effect.

I have some doubt about his procedure from eq.4.25 to eq.4.27

the spin-orbit coupling is f(r) s \dot l

its average is then <f(r) s\dot l>

why can he take the equality <f(r) s \dot l>= <f(r)> <s \dot l> ?

this greatly simplifes the calculation!
 
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wdlang said:
i am now reading the book by woodgate: elementary atomic strucure, 2nd edition.

on page 62, he discusses the spin-orbit coupling in hydrogen atom, and calculates the first order shift of the energy due to this effect.

I have some doubt about his procedure from eq.4.25 to eq.4.27

the spin-orbit coupling is f(r) s \dot l

its average is then <f(r) s\dot l>

why can he take the equality <f(r) s \dot l>= <f(r)> <s \dot l> ?

this greatly simplifes the calculation!

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wdlang said:
why can he take the equality <f(r) s \dot l>= <f(r)> <s \dot l> ?

That's not what he is doing. He's substituting in for f(r).
 
Vanadium 50 said:
That's not what he is doing. He's substituting in for f(r).

Thank you. I have figured it out.

Yes, he actually makes some approximations.

Note that f(r) is a function invariant under an arbitrary rotation; therefore it preserve the angular momentum of the electron and also, its spin. This can also be understood using wigner-eckart theorem.

But f(r) do couple different n's

He drops the coupling between different n's, only taking the diagonal term

If you are interested, you can see the book by condon and shortley, page 121.
 

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