Absolute extrema 2 variable function

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The discussion revolves around finding the absolute extrema of the function f(x,y) = 2x - 2xy + y^2 within a specified region in the xy-plane, bounded by the curves y = x^2 and y = 1.

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  • Participants discuss finding first partial derivatives and setting them to zero to locate critical points. There are attempts to evaluate the function along the boundaries defined by y = 1 and y = x^2. Some participants express confusion about solving the resulting equations and the implications of the bounded region.

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Several participants have explored different methods, including the use of Lagrange multipliers and the Rational Root Theorem. There is acknowledgment of confusion regarding the equations derived from these methods, and some participants have identified specific points to evaluate the function. However, no consensus has been reached on the final extrema values.

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Participants note the complexity of the problem and the potential for multiple interpretations of the steps involved, particularly regarding the application of Lagrange multipliers and the rational roots found. There is also mention of the bounded nature of the region affecting the search for extrema.

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Homework Statement


find the absolute extrema of f(x,y) = 2x - 2xy + y^2
in the region in the xy plane bounded by the graphs of y= x^2 and y = 1

The Attempt at a Solution


first we find the first partials
fx(x,y) = 2 - 2y
fy(x,y) = 2y-2x
2-2y = 0 when y = 1
2y - 2x = 0 when y=x in this case y=1 so x =1
f(1,1) = 1

now we check along y = 1
f(x,1) = 2x - 2x + 1 = 1
so z = 1 along the entire line y =1 . this includes the points where y=1 intersects with y=x^2

now we check along y = = x^2
f(x, x^2) = 2x -2x^3 + x^4
f'(x,x^2) = 2 - 6x^2 + 4x^3
we need this to equal 0
2 - 6x^2 + 4x^3 = 0
1 - 3x^2 + 2x^3 = 0
now I am a little lost. I need to solve this for x but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this. After I solve for x I plug the corresponding point into the original function to find the minimum. (the minimum has to be along this curve because it was nowhere else and it is a bounded region) I could be doing this wrong though as these types of problems are very confusing to me .
 
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toothpaste666 said:

Homework Statement


find the absolute extrema of f(x,y) = 2x - 2xy + y^2
in the region in the xy plane bounded by the graphs of y= x^2 and y = 1

The Attempt at a Solution


first we find the first partials
fx(x,y) = 2 - 2y
fy(x,y) = 2y-2x
2-2y = 0 when y = 1
2y - 2x = 0 when y=x in this case y=1 so x =1
f(1,1) = 1

now we check along y = 1
f(x,1) = 2x - 2x + 1 = 1
so z = 1 along the entire line y =1 . this includes the points where y=1 intersects with y=x^2

now we check along y = = x^2
f(x, x^2) = 2x -2x^3 + x^4
f'(x,x^2) = 2 - 6x^2 + 4x^3
we need this to equal 0
2 - 6x^2 + 4x^3 = 0
1 - 3x^2 + 2x^3 = 0
now I am a little lost. I need to solve this for x but there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do this. After I solve for x I plug the corresponding point into the original function to find the minimum. (the minimum has to be along this curve because it was nowhere else and it is a bounded region) I could be doing this wrong though as these types of problems are very confusing to me .

If you want the max or min of f(x,y) along the parabola, just solve the equality-constrained problem
\begin{array}{rl}\max / \min &amp; 2x - 2 xy + y^2\\<br /> \text{subject to} &amp;y - x^2 = 0<br /> \end{array}<br />
You can do that fairly easily using the Lagrange multiplier method.

Alternatively, you can try to solve your equation ##2 x^3 - 3 x^2 + 1 = 0##, using the Rational Root Theorem, for example. Or, you can do it numerically if you are satisfied with an approximate numerical answer.
 
Ok i will use lagrange multipliers.
The gradient of f=(2-2y)i + (2y-2x)j
Let g= y-x^2 =0
Then the gradient of g
= -2xi + j
Multiply the gradient of g by a constant c
= -2cxi + cj

We must solve the system
2-2y = -2cx
2y-2x = c
Y-x^2 = 0
Plug in our value for c into the first equation
2-2y=-2(2y-2x)x
2-2y = -4yx + 4x^2
Plug in y=x^2
2-2x^2= -4x^3 + 4x^2
2= 6x^3 - 4x^3

Wait i ended up with the same equation. I can't figure out where i went wrong
 
Thats supposed to be a 6x^2
 
I think I figured it out using the rational roots theorem.
for the equation 2x^3-3x^2 + 1
the possible rational roots are
-1/2 , 1/2 , -1 and 1
plugging them all in the only ones that give 0 are
1 and -1/2
since y = x^2 if x =1 y = 1 we already know z = 1 at this point
if x = -1/2 y = 1/4
plugging this into the original equation
f(-1/2, 1/4) = 2(-1/2) - 2(-1/2)(1/4) + (1/16)
= - 1 + (1/4) + (1/16)
= -(16/16) + (4/16) + (1/16)
= (5-16)/16
= -11/16
so the min is z = -11/16
and the max is z = 1
 
toothpaste666 said:
Ok i will use lagrange multipliers.
The gradient of f=(2-2y)i + (2y-2x)j
Let g= y-x^2 =0
Then the gradient of g
= -2xi + j
Multiply the gradient of g by a constant c
= -2cxi + cj

We must solve the system
2-2y = -2cx
2y-2x = c
Y-x^2 = 0
Plug in our value for c into the first equation
2-2y=-2(2y-2x)x
2-2y = -4yx + 4x^2
Plug in y=x^2
2-2x^2= -4x^3 + 4x^2
2= 6x^3 - 4x^3

Wait i ended up with the same equation. I can't figure out where i went wrong

Use the equations to solve for x and y in terms of c, giving
x = x(c) = \frac{2-c}{2(1-c)}, \; y = y(c) = \frac{2-c^2}{2(1-c)}
Then plug those expressions into the function g, which will now be a function ##g = G(c)## of c alone. You set ##G(c) = 0## to figure out the value (or values) of c. In this case,
g(x(c),y(c)) = G(c) = -\frac{c^2 (3 + 2c)}{4(1+c)^2},
so we need (i) ##c = 0##, giving ##x=1, \:y=1##; or (ii) ##c = -3/2##, giving ##x=-1/2, \:y = 1/4##.

That is usually (not always) the way these things are done: express the variables in terms of the multiplier, then use the constraint to fix the value of the multiplier.
 
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