Absolute Extrema F(x,y) 0<x<π, 0<y<π

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The discussion revolves around finding the absolute extrema of the function F(x,y) = sin(x)sin(y)sin(x+y) within the specified domain of 0 < x < π and 0 < y < π. Participants are exploring the implications of the function's behavior at the boundaries and critical points.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of partial derivatives with respect to x and y, questioning the solutions obtained from setting these derivatives to zero. There is an exploration of trigonometric identities to simplify expressions, and some participants express doubt about the validity of the extrema found, noting that all evaluated points yield a value of zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on using trigonometric identities to simplify the derivatives. There is an acknowledgment of the need to verify the extrema found, as doubts have been raised regarding their correctness.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's domain and are questioning the assumptions made during the derivative calculations. There is a focus on ensuring that the evaluations of F(x,y) at critical points are accurate and meaningful.

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Homework Statement



F(x,y)= sin(x)sin(y)sin(x+y) over the square 0< x< pi and 0< y< pi(The values for x and y should be from 0 to pi INCLUSIVE)

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partial derivative in terms of x = siny[cosxsin(x+y)+sinxcos(x+y)]
you get y=0, pi because siny =0, but I don't know how to solve for the other solutionspartial derivative in terms of y = sinx[cosysin(x+y)+ sinycos(x+y)]
and you get x=0, pi because sinx=0

and then I have the same problem again
 
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Use a trig identity to simplify the contents in the square brackets.
 
I used the trig identities sin(x+y)= sinxcosy+cosxsiny and cos (x+y)= cosxcosy - sinxsiny

and with that, I get the equation the previous equation multiplied out which gives me
=cosxsinxcosy +cos^2(x)siny +sinxcosxcosy-sin^2(x)siny
=2cosxsinxcosy +(cos^2(x)+sin^2(x))(siny-siny)
=2cosxsinxcosy +(1)(0)= 2cosxsinxcosy
and I did the same process for the y derivative and got it to equal
= 2cosxcosysiny

that x=0,pi/2, pi and y = 0, pi/2, pi

then when I go to find the values of F(x,y) at the nine possible extrema points, the value of F(x,y) is equal to 0.

Because they all came out to 0, I doubt that they are actually the extrema and probably did something wrong in my solving.
 
anyone?
 
I meant you should go the other direction, e.g.,

cos x sin(x+y) + sin x cos(x+y) = sin(2x+y)
 
vela said:
I meant you should go the other direction, e.g.,

cos x sin(x+y) + sin x cos(x+y) = sin(2x+y)

what formula did you use to find sin(2x+y)?
 
cos a sin b + sin a cos b = sin(a+b) with a=x and b=x+y.
 

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