[Abstract Algebra] GCD and Relatively Prime Proof

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The discussion revolves around proving that if the greatest common divisor (gcd) of two polynomials f(x) and g(x) is 1, then the gcd of their powers, gcd(f(x)^m, g(x)^n), is also 1. Participants explore the implications of this statement in the context of polynomial rings and the uniqueness of factorization.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various proofs and approaches, including the application of Bezout's Identity and induction. Some question the validity of applying integer factorization concepts directly to polynomials. Others raise concerns about the implications of the characteristic of the underlying ring or field.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and alternative proofs. There is recognition of the need for clarity regarding the properties of the polynomial ring being used, particularly concerning whether it is an integral domain. Some participants express uncertainty about the applicability of certain proofs to the polynomial case.

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Participants note the importance of the underlying ring or field, with specific references to characteristics that may affect the proof. There is mention of examples that illustrate potential pitfalls when considering polynomials in different rings, such as ℤ_4[x].

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Homework Statement


If gcd(f(x),g(x)) = 1 and m,n ∈ ℕ, show that gcd(f(x)^m, g(x)^n) = 1.

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So I had previously proved this for non-polynomials:

gcd(a,b)=1
then gcd(a^n,b^n)=1

Proof: a = p1*p2*...*pn
b = p1*p2*...*pm

then
a^n = p1^n*p2^n*...*pn^n
b^n = p1^n*p2^n*...*pm^n

Since a and a^n have the same prime factors and b and b^n have the same prime factors and a and b are relatively prime then a^n and b^n are relatively prime.
I guess, I am looking at this question from the same point of view.

Is there a difference here with polynomials? Why would there be?
 
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As long as the underlying ring or field is of characteristic zero there shouldn't be a difference. (Not quite sure about other characteristics.)
However, your proof with the numbers uses the fact that you have a unique integer factorization into primes. You need to assure this for your polynomial ring if you want to adapt the same proof. As far as I can remember this is true for an integral domain. Another proof could be with contradiction: assume there is an irreducible ##p=p(x)## with ##p|f^n## and ##p|g^m##.
 
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How is this proof:

Since f and g are relatively prime, by Bezout's Identity there exists polynomials p and q such that fp+gq = 1.
Take the (2n-1)th power of both sides.
Any term of the binomial expansion of (fp+gq)^(2n-1) is divisible by one of the f^n or g^n.
Therefore:
1 = (fp+gq)^(2n-1) = f^nP+g^nQ
for some polynomials P and Q. It follows that f^n and g^n are relatively prime.

But does this hold for f^n and g^m ? (different degrees) hm...

I don't think so, right? Since we use (2n-1) as the exponential.
 
Perhaps this is cleaner / better:

Suppose p is a prime that divides gcd(f^n,g^m)
then p divides f^n and hence divides f. Similarly for g^m. Since gcd(f,g)=1 no such p can exist.

This is proven by:
If p divides f^n, than p divides f. for n>1
Proof using induction: true for n = 1
Assume it is true for n.
Then for n+1 p divides f^(n+1) = f*f^n implies that p divides f or it divides f^n. By hypothesis, p divides f.

However, not sure how this incorporates polynomials or if i even need to (the question doesn't necessarily make any statement about polynomials just is the question stated)
 
Your first proof is wrong because not every term of the binomial expansion is divided by ##f^n##.
RJLiberator said:
Perhaps this is cleaner / better:

Suppose p is a prime that divides gcd(f^n,g^m)
Let's say ##p## is irreducible instead.
then p divides f^n and hence divides f. Similarly for g^m. Since gcd(f,g)=1 no such p can exist.

This is proven by:
If p divides f^n, than p divides f. for n>1
##n \geq 1##
Proof using induction: true for n = 1
Assume it is true for n.
Then for n+1 p divides f^(n+1) = f*f^n implies that p divides f or it divides f^n. By hypothesis, p divides f.
What is the underlying ring or field for the polynomials? ##ℤ##?
This here is the crucial point: ##p|f \cdot f^n ⇒ p|f ∨ p|f^n##?
Here I think you need the polynomial ring be an integral domain.
However, not sure how this incorporates polynomials or if i even need to (the question doesn't necessarily make any statement about polynomials just is the question stated)
E.g. if ##p(x) = x+1## and ##f(x)=2x## both in ##ℤ_4[x]## then ##p \nmid f## but ##p|f^2=4x^2=0##.
However, I suppose ##ℤ[x]## or a polynomial ring over field of characteristic zero ##(ℚ[x],ℝ[x],ℂ[x])## is meant.
Then everything looks ok.
 
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Indeed. Thank you for analysis here. (as always)
fresh_42, I bow to you!
 

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