AC power - Simulation and hand calculated values different

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around discrepancies between hand calculations and MATLAB simulation results for reactive power in an AC circuit. Participants explore the implications of using RMS values, phase angles, and the effects of circuit components on reactive power. The scope includes theoretical calculations, practical applications, and MATLAB simulation techniques.

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  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents hand calculations for power in resistors, inductors, and capacitors, noting discrepancies with MATLAB results.
  • Another participant inquires about the source voltage used in calculations, emphasizing the importance of RMS values.
  • Participants discuss whether the formula used for power calculations appropriately accounts for RMS values.
  • There is a question regarding the phase angles of voltages from MATLAB and their relevance to power calculations.
  • Some participants suggest that excluding phase angles may be acceptable depending on the context of the calculations.
  • One participant proposes that total reactive power should consider the phases of individual reactive powers to avoid cancellation effects.
  • Another participant expresses uncertainty about how to obtain total complex power using MATLAB, mentioning the use of Simulink and SimPowerSystems.
  • Discussion includes a suggestion to plot complex impedance as a function of capacitance to find optimal values for reducing reactive power.
  • One participant calculates desired reactive power reduction and seeks advice on where to place a new capacitor in the circuit.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the hand calculations versus the MATLAB results. Multiple competing views exist regarding the treatment of phase angles and the implications for reactive power calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the implementation details of the MATLAB simulation and the specific equations used. There are also discussions about the relevance of phase angles in different contexts of power calculations.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and practitioners in electrical engineering or physics who are working with AC circuit analysis, particularly those interested in the differences between theoretical calculations and simulation results.

  • #31
gneill said:
Yes, but I imagine that the algebra could get tedious. You want to find the reactive power as a function of C, so that means finding the imaginary part of the complex power. It would be easier to plot the reactive power and pick out the solution on the plot.
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I am plugging in the original total real power and total reactive power. I cannot get the original value of capacitance.

Edit:
I used 576-430.8i instead and got the original capacitance value. How do I solve for C if I don't have a "defined" real power to solve for? Do I simply divide that by 2 (50%) as well?
 
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  • #32
eehelp150 said:
I used 576-430.8i instead and got the original capacitance value. How do I solve for C if I don't have a "defined" real power to solve for? Do I simply divide that by 2 (50%) as well?
No, the real and imaginary parts of the power will have some complicated relationship.

Since you want to reduce the reactive power by 50% you can simplify things a bit by setting Vs = 1. Then ignoring units the current will be ##I = 1/Z## and the power will be ##P = V_s I^* = I^*##.

Isolating the imaginary part of ##I^*## might be tedious. You can write your impedance as:

##Z = 12 + j20 + \frac{1}{\frac{1}{20} + jωC}##

Might as well define ##x = ωC##, then
$$I = \frac{1}{12 + j20 + \frac{1}{\frac{1}{20} + jx}}$$
Normalizing that to pull out the complex component is not complicated, just labor intensive. Then find its value using the original capacitor value in x = ωC as the "benchmark" value for the imaginary component. You'll want to find a new value for x that yields half of that power.
 

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