Academia: How hard is it really?

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The discussion revolves around the challenges of securing a position as an assistant professor in academia, particularly in the fields of physics and other disciplines. Participants explore personal experiences, statistics, and the competitive nature of the job market.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the difficulty of obtaining an assistant professor position and seeks insights from those who have succeeded or failed in this pursuit.
  • Another participant estimates that only about 1/4 of universities in the top 60 have tenure track positions available in a given year, suggesting a limited number of opportunities.
  • It is noted that the ease of obtaining a position may depend on the field of study, with some areas like finance or math education being perceived as less competitive compared to physics.
  • A participant references the historical challenges in the physics job market since 1970 and points to resources that discuss these issues.
  • Statistics from the American Institute of Physics (AIP) are mentioned as a potential source of data regarding the academic job market.

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Participants express differing views on the difficulty of securing academic positions, with some suggesting it is field-dependent. There is no consensus on the overall ease or difficulty of the process.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific statistics and historical context, but the discussion lacks detailed data or comprehensive analysis of the job market dynamics.

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Is it really so difficult to get a position as an assistant professor then crawl up the ranks? Is there anyone here who has done it and succeeded? Anyone who has tried and failed? Are there any statistics on the matter?
 
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clope023 said:
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Imagine you want to work at a "good" university, say top 60. In a given year what fraction of universities are going to have a tenure track position open. I'd say like 1/4. That's 15 jobs a year.
 
Frozen Fruit said:
Is it really so difficult to get a position as an assistant professor then crawl up the ranks?

Depends on the topic. If you have a Ph.D. in finance or math education, then it's pretty easy to get a job as a professor, but if you were interested in getting a Ph.D. in those topics, you probably would be reading some other board.

In physics it's been tough since 1970 and there are books on this

http://web.mit.edu/dikaiser/www/CWB.html

Also it's tough for structural reasons that are unlikely to change soon.

AIP has statistics left and right

http://www.aip.org/statistics/catalog.html
 
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