Accelerating trajectories in relativity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of relativity to a scenario involving a sphere of expanding light interacting with particles moving at speeds less than the speed of light. Participants explore the implications of acceleration under constant forces and the energy requirements for approaching the speed of light.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Alex questions the energy requirements for accelerating particles with mass, noting that infinite energy would be needed to reach the speed of light.
  • Alex seeks to understand the dependence of acceleration on velocity and how to integrate this with initial velocities to determine position over time.
  • Mike Fontenot introduces the concept of "rapidity" as a useful transformation related to velocity that allows for linear addition across inertial reference frames, contrasting with ordinary velocity.
  • Mike references Taylor & Wheeler's book on spacetime physics as a resource that discusses rapidity and its applications in scenarios involving constant acceleration.
  • Another participant shares links to resources that may assist in understanding the topic further.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and seek clarification on the application of relativity, particularly regarding rapidity and the integration of acceleration with initial velocities. No consensus is reached on the specific methods to apply in the scenario described.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of particles under constant forces and the implications of relativistic effects on acceleration and energy requirements. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to integrating acceleration and determining position over time.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in the application of relativity in physics, particularly in scenarios involving accelerating particles and the mathematical frameworks used to describe such systems.

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Hi

I am trying to write a code to find the minimum time until a sphere of expanding light interacts with a set of N particles moving at speed. These particles are acted on by forces which remain constant over the time period.

My problem at the moment is that these particles have a mass and therefore should be restricted to v<c.

At higher speeds am I right to say that it takes relatively more energy to add speed, where an infinite energy/force would be required to get to c??

What would this acceleration velocity dependence be?? I presume I can then just integrate this along with the initial velocities to get the position as a function of time.

I am really just unsure as to how to apply relativity in this case where the particles are accelerating under a force..

Thanks in advance.

Alex
 
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twinsen said:
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What would this acceleration velocity dependence be?? I presume I can then just integrate this along with the initial velocities to get the position as a function of time.

I am really just unsure as to how to apply relativity in this case where the particles are accelerating under a force..
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Basically, you need to use a quantity (often called "rapidity") that is related to ordinary velocity (it's just a one-to-one non-linear transformation of velocity) that has the useful property that it adds linearly across inertial reference frames (ordinary velocity DOESN'T).

Taylor & Wheeler use it in their SPACETIME PHYSICS book, and I imagine most other good special relativity books do too. I think T&W used rapidity in an example showing how far a traveler could get, if constantly accelerating at 1g, in one human lifetime.

I also use rapidity in my paper on accelerating observers:

"Accelerated Observers in Special Relativity", PHYSICS ESSAYS, December 1999, p629.

If you don't already have T&W's book, that would be a good purchase no matter what. As I recall, the very first edition may not have had all the worked examples that later versions had, so try to get the latest one.

Mike Fontenot
 
Yeh that's great. Exactly what I was looking for :)

I will try and find Wheeler's book when I go back to uni! Really should remember all this stuff but sometimes it's quicker to ask.

Cheers

Alex
 

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