Acceleration always perpendicular to velocity

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The discussion centers on the relationship between acceleration and velocity vectors when they are always perpendicular. It establishes that if the acceleration vector is perpendicular to the velocity vector, the speed remains constant, indicating uniform circular motion (UCM). The participants utilize the equation F=ma and the dot product condition a·v=0 to analyze the implications of this relationship. They explore how to derive the path of a particle under these conditions and the mathematical integration involved in understanding velocity changes.

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  • Understanding of vector mathematics, specifically dot products.
  • Knowledge of Newton's second law (F=ma).
  • Familiarity with concepts of uniform circular motion (UCM).
  • Basic calculus, particularly integration techniques.
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  • Learn more about uniform circular motion and its mathematical derivations.
  • Explore advanced integration techniques relevant to physics problems.
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Homework Statement



If the acceleration/force vector is always perpendicular to the velocity vector, what is the path?

Homework Equations



F=ma
a dot v=0


The Attempt at a Solution



We know that the dot product of a and v is zero such that

vx*vx'+vy*vy'=0 where vx'=dvx/dt

Also, I know this would be UCM, and given that I could say that the speed is constant. However, how would you know speed is constant not knowing the final path?

In addition, extending this further, how would know what path a particle took given acceleration and velocity vectors. That is to say, what if acceleration and velocity were not always perpendicular and also changed in magnitude with time?
 
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hi randomafk! welcome to pf! :smile:
randomafk said:
… how would you know speed is constant not knowing the final path?

v.v' = 0 :wink:
 


tiny-tim said:
hi randomafk! welcome to pf! :smile:


v.v' = 0 :wink:


thanks for the welcome and help

if s=speed, then
s=sqrt(v.v)
How does this thing relate to v.v' = 0

Even if you knew that speed is constant, how could that demonstrate UCM?
 


randomafk said:
thanks for the welcome and help

if s=speed, then
s=sqrt(v.v)
How does this thing relate to v.v' = 0

Even if you knew that speed is constant, how could that demonstrate UCM?

What happens to the velocity vector ?
 
randomafk said:
How does this thing relate to v.v' = 0

integrate :wink:
 
The velocity vector should stay constant in magnitude but change direction

tiny-tim said:
integrate :wink:

okay. so if i do an integral over dv

dv=a dt

\intv.dv = \int v.adt=C since v.a=0 for all t

I still can't figure how to link back to v.v=0
 
(just got up :zzz: …)

d(v.v)/dt = 2v.dv/dt :wink:
 

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